The Rockets would be going ultra big sliding Jabari to the 3, in which could definitely work. With Sengun,Collins & Smith starting you'd get 2 plus defenders that would help for Sengun’s lack of defense
as long as Tari is filling in all of the backup minutes at the 3 & 4. But I do have my concerns about Jabari as a 3 given his sub-par handles and stiffness. He can certainly defend 3’s; it can probably work.
You know a good way to burn me would be if Jalen Williams had a bad game tonight. Certainly better than Jalen Green vs the same team last night, no? Like I said for some reason you decided to mix up Giddey> Green with Jalen W > Jabari S. I think both of those things are true - but one could make a case a high efficiency role player like Williams is better than a low efficiency lead dog like Green. I don't think OKC is looking to trade for anyone on the Rockets roster, they don't need any of our players - they're just better.
On Rocket's watch tonight @Clutch said he heard the Rox were not interested in Collins. So, I think we can put this to bed. DD
Some of you guys keep saying the upcoming free agent class is weak so we have to splurge on mediocre players right now like John Collins while giving up premium assets. If the free agent class is that weak, then smart front offices would realize that they don't need to force themselves to sign anyone in free agency, they can just take on some bloated contracts that are expiring in 1-2 years while adding draft capital instead, and then wait for the next opportunity to either trade for or sign an actual legit difference maker. We still suck and we'll be lucky to be even a competitive team in the next 2-3 years. We should still be in asset accumulation mode, not giving up draft capital and young potential like KJ Martin for a very marginal upgrade in John Collins, no matter how dire the free agent class looks like this year. Like others have said, there's a reason why a win-now team like Atlanta has been looking to offload John Collins for the last 2-3 seasons. The guy is injury prone because he's abused steroids and he'll forever be injury prone. Rockets need a vet PG, 3d wings, and a backup C...not another tweener 4 who isn't exactly the best character/professional either.
It makes no sense guys. Utah asked for picks to absorb his contract. He's rarely worth his contract so we would have to rebuild his value to where it was when the Hawks first started shopping him. Then we will go through what they went through. Hard pass. He's not a good defender, he's just a passable one. His shot is dying for some reason. He's injury prone. He's been complaining about his teammates for like 5 years. He's not the veteran mentor we need at all. And then imagine moving 6'11 Jabari without a handle to SF to make room for JOHN F*CKING COLLINS. This is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard for the rebuild. We have 2 max cap slots, a pool of players from which a star or two can emerge and we're adding a top 5 pick this summer. That's the base of an elite title contender as long as the max slots are for max worthy players. Don't f*ck this up Stone. Wait till our in-house players are attractive teammates for FA's, that's the only move. Here are things I would rather do than acquire Collins for young players and/or picks: - Guarantee Gordon's contract for next season. - Acquire Fred Van Vleet and pre-agree to give him the max. - Shave my head with a rusty blade. - Miss the playoffs another 2-3 seasons. All of those are bad ideas. None of them are worse than acquiring John Collins. You guys need to man the hell up and build some fortitude for this rebuild instead of dropping your panties every time you hear there's someone older than 25 we can acquire. A mid season minimum salary vet would improve the team as much as John Collins, it is totally irrelevant that he marginally improves the team.
He has basically been doing it over the last few weeks with KJM starting.... It would be the exact same thing with Collins replacing KJ.
I strongly disagree with this statement ... They do have the lowest payroll in the league and that's by design. It allows them to spend on quality acquisitions. We've seen first hand what one bad contract can do to a team with championship aspirations in the form of Ryan Anderson's contract and all it took to dump that disaster, particularly with an owner with an aversion to the luxury tax. Yes, the team needs to be concerned with the cap and spend wisely .... As for this particular deal, it's not one I would pull the trigger on right now and I would NOT include the Brooklyn pick under any circumstances. I would consider this deal in the offseason - assuming I didn't land 1:1 in the lottery and the Milwaukee pick would be the only draft asset I'm willing to add.
That number doesn't account for the cap hits of our two draft picks. 1:1 is going to earn $11,979,960 in year one. 1:5 is going to earn 7,858,920 so that set's the parameters on the Rockets pick. Then there's the Milwaukee pick which should be somewhere between 25-30. The 25th pick will earn $2,585,040 while #30 gets $2,377,560. With 1:1 and 1:25 they have $52,672,221 in practical cap space. With 1:5 and 1:25 they have $56,793,261. They also have 14 players under contract so that only leaves 1 roster spot ... That includes Nix, Mathews, Fernando & KJ Martin who aren't guaranteed currently. If they pick two players in the draft, someone has to go. A max contract starts at $33,500,000 (0-6 years) and goes up to $40,200,000 for a 7-9 year veteran and $46,900,000 for a 10+ year veteran. At $52.6m you don't have room for two max guys at 0-6 much less two beyond that and both the biggest names kicked around here fall into the 7-9 category in VanVleet and Turner. You can't get both even if you dump KPJ. They can get both at the 1:5 figure of $56,793,261 if they dump KPJ for nothing and another $5m. I'm not suggesting to acquire either of those players, just showing the numbers.
LOL at claiming nobody needs to worry about cap with LTS at the helm. Yes cap is forever a worry in this case
I'm surprised that the High King of OverAppraising Rockets players took so long to respond. I don't think the Hawks are trading picks away just to get rid of John Collins. He's not a negative value player, hopefully we'll find out in a few weeks.
I think Collins will have a similar improvement in performance as Lauri had. Atlanta is badly misusing him. However i think it's too early for us to improve the team. Wait for the offseason.
Name one of 'you guys" here who actually said this? It's true the upcoming FA crop is weak as ****, that's why we should look at Harden. It's not true that anyone is saying we should give up " premium assets" I get the feeling you guys think mid or late FRPs are " premium assets" - you know what they actually are for the Rockets? More 20 year olds who will end up in RGV while the previous premium assets get the playing time. I give you points for originality for the theory that only Roid Rage John Collins is worth attaining. That's better than @YOLO 's "he might make us better something something Tilman" argument and @Reeko 's "he won't fit with Wembanyama" multiverse theory. The character attacks are kind of wack. I heard woj interview him last year and sounds like a normal guy, military brat kid, and i think i heard Kevin Huerter say the same - i don't follow Instagram drama so maybe there's something there Again though the funny part is, 90% of the naysayers here have probably watched single digit minutes worth of John Collins in the last calendar year -if even that- and are absolutely 250% convinced he's damaged beyond repair, in addition to operating with 2012 era conception of the Salary Cap. Good job internet for creating so many geniuses.
Reading comprehension - 1 You - 0. Seriously; I tried to engage you but you can't get past the part where you read my post and somehow decipher it in a way that is wholly destructive to the conversation.
