Hawks a playoff team been trying to find a sucker to trade prime assets for him for years. If a playoff team been wanting to get rid of him, clearly he aint worth giving up good assets for especially if u are a tanking team
Yeah, they dropped their price to "prime assets" like ... a single FRP, per Chams, 2 weeks ago. The Rockets do not need another late FRP to send to RGV like Christopher, Garuba, TyTy- they just don't. They DO NEED people who have proven they can play with upside.
Again. We saw the GM polls, they disagree. The GMs thought Green was an amazing prospect that would have a chance at being an elite player in 5 years along with Cade and Mobley. It's been one and half years... again, you act like GMs only think about the now. I'm not sure why you keep thinking of him as a replacement. They are both wings, they can be on the court at the same time for most of the game even. OKCs rebuild is way ahead of schedule because the guy leading it is a lot older and has been in the NBA for 5 seasons now, he's blossoming right when he's supposed to. The guys leading our team are 20 years old. So their rebuild is actually 2 seasons ahead of ours as well. They started their rebuild in 2019 and we started in 2021. So yeah, it's ahead of schedule because they've been at it longer than we have. Also, Green is disappointing because he was compared to Kobe and other HOF players while Jalen Williams isn't disappointing because people are happy that he's at least able to be an NBA role player. The bar was and is A LOT higher for Green.
This is gonna end up c woods part dos. Big man with talent struggles to carry young team, develops bad habits and then everybody suffers. Save all the assets to draft a star or save all the assets to trade for a star. Wasting assets for minor improvement is the wrong move. If the team is a sht sandwich adding extra topping (John collins) at the cost of more money (assets) ain't it.
Oh man, are you talking about some GM straw poll from summer 2021 about Jalen Green being more valued than Wagner and others in his draft class now? Lol, hardly scientific but more importantly stuff from before the games are played is not relevant now! I mean there's probably polls from decades ago where GMs preferred Greg Oden to Durant! Once the games get played things change. And for Jalen Green they've changed downwards this year.
Also, my last post on this for now but... My posts are not me saying the Rockets rebuild is going well, just that so far it has gone according to plan. They wanted to build through the draft these past 2 seasons and they have done that. They've acquired some young players who many feel have potential and will be acquiring another unless they trade their top 5 pick for some reason. Tilman and Stone and the bunch can certainly screw this up, no doubt about that... But to act like they are failing when building through the draft has been the plan all along is the wrong way to look at it. They aren't trying to be competitive right now, we just put out the 2nd youngest lineup EVER in NBA history...they are not trying to win games right now, of course they are going to look bad. Now next season the kid gloves come off. They will have to start building a roster to win games and we'll see if Stone is capable of doing that I guess.
^Remember folks - its better to give the 5th pick to OKC and use the 25th pick on some scrub than it is to try to win games for the next 3 years to guys like @DatRocketFan because assets or money or something....?
I'm talking about why he went #2 since you implied that he went #2 because only the Rockets had him there when in reality EVERYONE knows Cade was #1 and Green and Mobley interchangable. Thats why when the GMs were polled on who would be the best player 5 years from now their answers were Cade, Mobley, and Green... Yes, it is relevant that GMs think a player can be an elite player 5 years from now is extremely relevant because once again...GMs often consider potential and are not going to trade away a guy with elite comps for 3 and D roleplayer they can acquire literally any offseason. You acting like GMs don't ever consider potential is just wild for me and definitely a signal to end this convo right now.
Ill say this much. I don't know a thing about Collins, but I do know that if we are paying a guy, any guy at this point, $25M for 4 years, he better be good enough to be your 2nd best player on a championship team? For those that know, is this that guy?
It hasn't gone according to plan, the plan is not just 'draft high often and take BAP" the plan is " draft high often and take BAP and get superstar " They struck out on that so far unless something changes or they hit this year
"folks, we only win 20% of our games, but we're only interested in championship level talent around here"...
I’m fine with Collins for the right price. Idk what players y’all think are coming here. The upcoming free agent class is weak and nobody is signing with the worst team in the league in the first place. We don’t have control over our picks the next few years so we need to improve somehow. You can’t just keep adding 19 year olds and expect to improve.
He doesn’t need to be that caliber of player. We aren’t competing for a championship in the next 4 years. He’ll be a stop gap while our younger players develop.
There isn’t anyone in the last 2 drafts that I can definitely say is going to be the best player 2-3 years from now. Any one of Green, Sengun, or Smith could be that guy. It’s also possible that there isn’t a franchise player that was taken over the last 2 years or the best player wasn’t even available to us. But I don’t understand writing off our draft picks 1.5 and .5 years into their careers. It’s illogical.
he doesn't but he doesn't need to be the cost of premium assets like the nets 1st rounders and KMJ, in addition to EG in the proposal. In no way is he worth that much.
For a 100 million dollars, absolutely! For me, I think its too early to invest in pricy longer term vets.
