I wouldn't doubt there's probably teams that would have passed on Jabari. I don't think all teams use the "consensus" media draft boards the same way as we do and had a "Big 3", there are probably many that did, but among 30 NBA teams, there are probably oens that had him lower than 3, particularly because he seemed to have some red flags (his at rim #'s in college were bad, his jumper seems slow, not an explosive player at all)
don’t see the point of acquiring this dude right now before we even know who we’re drafting What if we get Wemby? Sengun and Wemby will be eating most of the PF/C minutes, and then u also have Jabari We’d be paying Collins 25 mil/yr to do what?
We've also seen a fair amount of evidence that he might be. Including the number of 40+ point games he has and when you compare it to other players that have done that at his age. All franchise players. Maybe he is the outlier, you're saying he is. You are GREATLY overrating Jalen Williams lol. You think the Thunder wouldn't trade him for Green OR Jabari? Dude, Jalen Williams is playing a role. Swap Williams (who again, can't shoot the three) for Green on this team and with Green's role and it would look a lot like what happened when the Rockets thought Ariza could be a featured player. People have to take into context the role a player has on a team. Green has a much bigger and harder role to fill than he does.
this shouldn’t even have to be said OKC would for sure take Jalen Green for Jalen Williams laughing at the Rockets for being so dumb, then mold and develop Green themselves meanwhile Williams would come here and get exposed if he had to create for himself on a consistent basis…dude is getting 50% of his twos and 97% of his threes assisted…kudos to him for playing his role well as a rookie, but he is playing off of an All-Star/top 15 player in Shai, and a playmaker in Giddey I’m sure OKC thinks they’d be able to develop Green into something really good if he’s in their system and environment
I am sorry, but as many have said, this is a ridiculous proposal. In the offseason, we are going to add 3 big time contributors to this team: 1.) Our Draft Pick 2.) 2 highly paid free agents. 3.) And possibly another guy with the Bucks pick. At this point in time, we have absolutely zero idea who those players will be. We have zero idea what the new lineups will be, we have zero idea what the strengths and weaknesses of our rotation will be. Spending assets on some random rotation player in a meaningless trade without even knowing what our future needs are going to be is absolutely idiotic. Its very possible we land Wemby, the best players we can sign in free agency are Myles Turner and Jerami Grant, and then maybe a guy like Ware, Lively, Flipowski, or GG Jackson falls to you with the Bucks pick. So then all of sudden you have Jabari, Sengun, Wemby, Turner, Grant, who all need minutes, not to mention development for Garuba / Bucks pick. And then, oops, we traded for John Collins for some reason, and now have completely mismanaged our assets. I don't care what mental gymnastics you want to do, it is not the right time to be adding a player like Collins. You know who should be pursuing Collins?....A team like the Atlanta Hawks.
That's what people are missing. Most teams look at us as mismanaging our players now. If you look at every talking head that's all they are saying. Green next to SGA in the backcourt? OKC takes that in a heartbeat. Green plays on an organized team and won't be asked to carry the offensive load every night and 100% they will feel they can coach and develop him better. Like you mentioned, 97% of his threes assisted. No way he could play the role Green is playing right now and we'd look like more of a mess because we'd have another player that can't create a shot MAYBE one day he'll be able too, he's a nice prospect and pick at 12, I don't think its impossible for him to add more to his game...but we are way tripping thinking they are the same level of prospects and Green is even younger than him.
He’s better than Jabari, too. But Jabari has the potential to be better. He would probably benefit from practicing with a player like Collins and watching him in game from the bench. When it’s time for their next contracts, the Rockets can decide to keep whichever one they want. In all likelihood, they won’t both still be here when that time comes. Anyone who argues against this trade because it eats into our cap space this summer should give the name of the player they want to sign instead.
Myles Turner? I do not understand the Myles Turner thing? We have a up and coming Center and we want to replace him with Turner? Or can Turner play Power Forward. Do you think Houston is wanting to go in a bidding war for Turner. The guy is having a career year because he wants a new contract, he does not want anything under 30 million. Grant is a older players…I do not see it.
Unless it’s a salary dump (which it will not be), taking on Collins likely does preclude the possibility of a future play for an actual difference maker. There’s little chance we won’t fork over draft capital in a deal like that. All to do…what exactly? Take minutes away from Jabari/Tari and get a little bit better this year? Maybe win an extra game or two and hurt your odds (as bad as they actually are) at landing a high pick in a two man draft? Killing future cap space, to boot. I just don’t get it. There are ways to suck that don’t involve any of those things. If you’re so dead set on adding a random rotation player that won’t do anything, how about we find one that’s cheaper? We used to be good at this sort of thing.
Bro, you are missing the point. The point is, we don't know who is coming in free agency. You want to trade for Collins? Fine, wait till after free agency.
Well, maybe know because Tari does not like layups . Honestly I know you like Jabari but I’m about to jump ship on Jabari. It’s not coaching, he was like this in the summer and now regular season, Tari is a better player.
the correct answer right now is nobody. Not when you have no idea who the rockets will draft and who may become available until now after the draft. And we know how an offseason changes the makeup of a lot of teams after a season is over. I am also not giving up premium assets for John Collins and be stuck with him, just for the hell of it. Forget the cap space. It's about be able to keep all your options and assets available.
There are a lot free agents will not touch Houston with a ten foot pole, John Wall has clout in the NBA, most players and coaches last year thought Wood and KPJ was a cancer on the team. We still have KPJ and he is very immature to be on this team. Our management is stingy with money so we are out of any bidding war, and free agents are not craving to come to Houston
Yeah, I mean sure we can focus on the 40 point games by age thing - both of these things are distorted by a couple of factors. 1. the fact taht under 20's were banned for vast swathes of the game's history and 2. the fact that 40 point games are now 2x as common this season as they were in some parts of the NBA's history. I I've personally been disappointed by Green this year, I thought he was an all-NBA level potential talent last year. Now I'm "maybe he'll make the all star team once" . He has shown very little growth in most areas, he's dependent on making lots of difficult shots, not a great ballhandler - there's still hope but each day it's getting smaller and smaller, which is why we wouldn't really bet on him getting to MVP-voting level. I don't think they would trade him at all - they love Jalen Williams and a lot of people around the league love Jalen WIlliams - why would they tradhim for Jabari Smith - because Jonathan Givony had him higher on his draft board six months ago? LOL. Why would they trade him for Jalen Green, becuase instead of SGA and his consistent 30 ppg effort they want the "one good game every 3 weeks" Jalen Green who makes nicer dunks? Let's get real - the Thunder are a better team and ahve better players, and drafted better players with worse picks. Giddey is a better player than Green right now, something I was loathe to admit but he's just been flat better. He improved - maybe it was coaching, maybe it's just the situation, maybe it would have happned regardless. But he's just plain better than a high usage guy who might occasionally pop off for 40 but drags you down with no defense and lousy ballhandling on most nights.
