You're joking right? You can add every team to that list then. No way he would play any other position anywhere else. He has cost us at least two games since he moved to left.
I'm sure that the compiled list of teams with your specifications would generally be the same; with only a few exceptions... I would add St. Louis, San Diego, Oakland, and Texas to that list too.
you guys are literally insane. talking baseball with gunn and bigboy is ridiculous. you'll scream bias because we defend biggio's hitting, while making no excuses for his defense. meanwhile, you completely disregard his offensive production this season and look at him solely as a liability because the team has asked him to switch positions twice in the last 1 1/2 years. the offensive numbers speak for themselves...this team isn't losing games because of craig biggio. if you think that, you're not watching the games very closely or you don't know jack-diddly-damn about baseball.
That's ludacris Max. I've already explained to you that it's not just his defense, but the whole package. Maybe you have been so wrapped up in OPS statistics that you missed a few games, I don't know, but Biggio has definitely lost games for us this year with his subpar defense, and in which case I can name several of the games off hand. Offensively Biggio is having a career year, but at his age it's definitely more of an anomaly than a regularity. Again, we've already explained to you that it's not just defense but you would rather make that an oversight and proclaim that we are biased, when in actuality you guys are the ones coming off as biased.
Well his defense is certainly not helping. Last night a catchable ball falls below his glove and the Dodgers get 2 runs out of it. His offense has been great, but his defense sub par. Actually the whole darned team is sub par. DD
I watch enough to know that Biggio has cost us at least two games since the move to left field! Since you know so much, tell us what you would do to improve this team.... Save the personal attacks!
there's no way to improve this team at this point. they moved for beltran. that's the last step they'll take, and i don't blame management. but i wouldn't be pointing the blame for their problems on craig freaking biggio.
ok...what else is it again?? "on the basepaths???" this guy is the only one GETTING to the basepaths on the whole freaking team. please, gunn.
If there is no way to improve this team, then it is time to prepare for next year. By now, the Astros should know if they are going to keep Beltran. Personally, I would not sign him for the 15 million per. It's time to trade Beltran. Kent is a liability on defense, it's time to trade him (if he is willing to go). Give the Burke's of the world some ABs. Let them get their feet wet.
Let's wait a few weeks. Without Jimy's weird lineups, who knows, maybe this team will gain some consistency on offense.
Keeping Beltran isn't a one-way street. He's not going to commit to them long-term this season. He's going to want to at least test the free agent market. I don't have a problem giving Burke some AB's. Partciularly as the season wanes on. But past that, we don't have a ton of position player prospects who wow anyone.
Yea Max, it's a combination of things. You seem to be taking a stance of "you against the world", when no one here is placing the season's woes on Biggio's shoulders. He is having an excellent offensive year (which again, is probably more an anomaly more than anything) but that in no way, shape, or form overshadows the fact that he's probably the worst outfielder currently playing and his play on the field is backing that up. Again, like I previously stated, it's feasible to consider Biggio for next year, but the reality is that it is past due to move in a different direction.
gunn -- given our posts yesterday, i'm not sure i'm even arguing with you. you said yesterday you would even consider resigning biggio to a one year deal. i'm drawing sharp contrast between that and the "he sucks" /"he wouldn't play for any other MLB team" language. but then you switch and back up that argument providing teams you say he wouldn't play for. which is it? what does moving in a different direction mean and how is it related to the biggio argument the rest of us here have bene having if you're willing to resign biggio to a one-year deal next season? other than the basepaths and defense, what is the combination of things?
What are you not understanding? It's feasible (and I would consider it - I didn't say sign him up!) to resign him to a one-year deal, but it's past due to move in a different direction. Max, are you having a hard time distinguishing between my posts and bigboymumu's? I didn't say that he couldn't play for any MLB team. I think there could possibly be seven teams, other than the Astros, that he could play for, maybe; but that in my opinion is based on offensive production this year, i'm not taking into account that he is the worst fielder in the league and will give away opportunities and games. Maybe there's less teams, maybe there's more, but I'm not going around acting like his offensive output will earn him a starting spot on the majority of MLB depth charts.
and i disagree with you. i think if the cubs thought they could get that kind of production at the top of the order, they'd put patterson on the bench, for example. keep in mind...that while fingers get pointed at biggio, he has more HR's this season than Jeff Kent and Jeff Bagwell. that's sad.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this specific case, because it's a matter of opinion. But imo, the difference between the two offensively does not make up for the huge gap their is between them defensively. On top of that your asking Biggio to play center at Wrigley with the sun and the wind, come on, you would be throwing games away. I see the angle you are taking with the Cubs and their run production, or lack thereof, but again, it's a matter of opinion. Apparently, the Cubs are content with Patterson in center, because they seem to be currently looking for offensive production in the infield.
gunn -- i hear ya. i guess what frustrates me is that watching this team lose night in and night out...i don't see biggio being the key factor in that. i see a group of hitters in the 3-4-5-6 slots that freaking can't drive in runs, period. and i think that's the number one factor. agreed our defense has left something to be desired...and last night we watched the bullpen come in and find a way to lose the game. but ultimately, if the rbi guys in this lineup were hitting like rbi guys, i think you'd be able to overlook biggio's concerns in the OF. or maybe then we could address them. but it seems like we have much bigger fish to fry. and the stuff that gets posted here nearly daily tends to reference him more than others. it just seems silly to me. the only guy they can count on consistently at the plate, at all. the only guy who, at the plate, is doing the job he was asked to do.
Max, they are fans looking for a goat, and Biggio's defense is most certainly applicable for being that goat. It's a matter of opinion and the goat will vary from person to person. To some it's the bullpen, starters, the defense (specifically Biggio) and to others, its the manager, or the heart of the line-up, or the personality of the club, or Gerry, or Drayton, or whom or whatever. The fact of the matter is that nothing seems to be right with this team and that should weigh heavily on everyones shoulders. In my opinion, this team is done, and next season if not sooner, it's time to move in a different direction.
It's actually all of those for me. I am a proponent of making changes. If you believe this team isn't going anywhere then we should agree. The reason why I bring up Biggio isn't because I have some sort of vendetta against him. It's because of past decisions, we are stuck in a tight spot. IMO, it is a waste of time talking about Bagwell's production. He will be on the books one way or another for 3 more years. It's a moot point. If you want to talk about giving Bags some time to rest his shoulder than we can. But, we all know we are stuck with the guy. If Bagwell was up for a new contract, and he was having the year that Biggio is having offensively but was a defensive liability (which he is), I would be saying the same thing about him. (even though he is my favorite player of all time) Same goes for any other player. I say play Burke, bring in a catcher that is not a liablity on offense, bring in a centerfielder that bats left handed with excellent range and a good arm, bring in an everyday third baseman and shore up the relievers. Then, I would be ok with extending Biggio. If we have to sacrifice any of those other aspects of the game to sign Biggio then it is time to move on.
