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Chapter 4: The Green Revolution

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Oct 16, 2022.

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How many wins will Jalen lead us to?

  1. 20-29 wins

    125 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. 30-39 wins

    61 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. 40-49 wins

    11 vote(s)
    5.2%
  4. 50-59 wins

    13 vote(s)
    6.2%
  1. WestendMassive

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    So that means it's good that Silas and Stone give him as many minutes as he wants even though he never really earned them other than being the #2 pick?
     
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    Phil Jackson didn't coach Kobe until later.
     
  4. daywalker02

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    Tons of minutes.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    Yeah that's my point.
     
  6. CantStopJG24

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    the one player that gives me hope that JG can turn it around is Brandon Ingram. Both were getting clowned the same at this point but BI's 2nd year was a lot more efficient and he was a better playmaker. one thing i wish is that Jalen laid low like BI and just worked. A lot of frustration stems from Jalen being everywhere and anywhere when his career has been disappointing so far. Just work and get off social media.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    I mean their ts% is like 1% pt off while Green averages 7 more ppg. I hope Green turns it around this season. He still has time to at least have respectable efficiency by the end of the season if he does another second half jump like his rookie year.

    In fact I if you look at Ingram's splits his second year he had an even worse ts% than Green pre-as break. His post all-star break ts% was 62%. Keep in mind this is whole he was also averaging 15-16 ppg.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    The philosophy of the team is draft position = earning minutes.

    That said, as soon a Silas is gone, I think Green will actually have to earn his minutes. A real coach wouldn't put up with it for long.
     
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    Some truth in that Green's best attribute right now is beating defenses at the perimeter and getting to the paint.

    Sengun as great of a offensive player he is in the paint area he's near useless outside where he is the opposite of a floor spacer. Leading to more crowded paint.

    Look at the difference between Ant and Green when they get into the paint. Ant is basically needing to only beat one defender in the paint area while Green has like 3 dudes on him.
     
  11. Tuckmose

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    I'll lean on green's slump being unrelated to Sengun getting tons of minutes, its not like Bruno, Garuba, or Tate were spacing the floor out there when they play C.
     
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    Jalen Green's "slump" correlates perfectly with Jalen Green being drafted into the NBA.
     
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  13. fchowd0311

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    Well compared to last season Wood was an optimal floor spacer in the half court. Could be part of the reason for Green's efficiency drop especially at the rim compared to his rookie year.
     
  14. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Green just needs to go back to his midrange and build his jumper rhythm / confidence back up. This is what led to his jump last year and then he regressed back into either 3's or layups.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Slump correlation? Jalen Green had a .464 TS% in October. .602 in November, .526 in December, .508 in January.

    He's been in a "slump" for 3 out of 4 calendar months. That's correlated with Sengun's emergence, his non-mergence and pretty much everything else because it's the bulk of the season.
     
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    This is exactly it. In his entire career he's had a few brief hot streaks but the overwhelming majority of the time he's terrible on both sides of the court. Overall you end up with a guy that is a net negative offensively and the worst defensive player in the league.

    I'm not sure how much longer people can keep making excuses for him.
     
  17. rimbaud

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    How dare you? Green was really good for a stretch of about 20 games at the end of last year and maybe 5-8 games this year. His slump, therefore, is only about 90% of his NBA career.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    He played 62 games last season. His last 31 games he averages 20 on 59% ts. That's half his rookie season.

    This year he had one month (13 games) averaging 23 on 60% ts with 5 apg during a stretch where the team was ACTUALLY winning. Teams like the Bucks, Suns, Sixers etc were all teams the Rockets beat during that stretch and all with those teams' superstars playing.


    Look, he's been disappointing but if your point resonated with you, you would feel comfortable just to express the real data than a hyperbolic version of it.

    In reality he's played like ass 60% of his career while 40% has been well above the case majority of guards his age even historically.
     
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    He's played like ass defensively 100% of his career. He's played like ass on both ends of the court for the vast majority of his career.


    And yet we keep making excuses for him.
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    From Green revolution to Green revulsion
     

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