Seems every time I check clutchfans there is a trade Green or Sengun post. Most of these post assume both players will not get better and now is the best time to trade them. So if we we were to look at the top current players when they were at the age of 20, I’m curious which ones would you have traded for over what we have seen from Green and Sengun? It’s clear all young players have struggled at 20 but what needs to be there is the desire to be the best and I believe we have that in both of them. Shooting Guards: Jalen Green 20pts / 4.3rbs / 3.6ast Jaylen Brown 6.6pts / 2.8rbs / 0.8ast Shai Gilgeous 10pts / 2.8rbs / 3.3ast Zach Lavine 14pts / 2.8rbs / 3.6ast Donovan Mitchell Playing in college Centers: Alperen Sengun 15pts / 8.8rbs / 3.6ast Nikola Jokic 10pts / 7.0rbs / 2.4ast Kristaps Porzingis 14pts / 7.3rbs / 1.3ast Bam Adebayo 6pts / 5.5rbs / 1.5ast Joel Embid Injured, did not play in 2015/2016
Most of the people requesting trades for those two are trolling. DD is the biggest advocate for trading Green and I'm pretty sure he just wants reactions. I've seen Sengun fans unironically want to trade Sengun because another franchise "would appreciate him more".
Hold your horses there, most of us just want Silas gone but yeah it's good for the Turkish market to get someone who is appreciated on an NBA team for sure.
Plenty of Clutchfans members would lose patience with all of those players except Jokic and want to trade them for any FRP or OK player in the 27-35 age range
We should draft and then start a 12 year old next, that way they have a built in excuse for nearly a decade when they perform poorly overall.
Cleverly disguised calmed down thread hs calmed me down. OP is it still ok for me to want to trade KPJ and fire Silas?
A little bit more reasonable because KPJ has two more years of experience to figure it out but KPJ's problem isn't that he can't be a good all-star type player. It's that he's just miscast as a starting pg. So I'm all for keeping KPJ if he's willing to change roles without headache. 95% of the board is down with firing Silas. The 5% who aren't isn't because they like him but rather they want to complete the tank. He's a good tank commander in that sense.
You’re free to feel however you like but I will say all of the stars above found success after other stars were added to the team either through the draft or trades. And I believe they also got new coaches ; )
Sign them each to an 11 year 182 million dollar extension like Wander Franco to avoid free agency and arbitration. Oops, wrong sport.
Rockets fans, especially us die hard fans on CF, have not had to deal with a rebuild EVER. Les would not let us tank, so for decades weve only known mediocrity and contention. Its unfound territory for the fandom, who have no clue what its like to be in a position like this. We always begged for a bottom out during the years of mediocrity, but now we have it and wlthe fan base is confused at why we arent more competetive. Its by design, we have a VERY young team with no winning experience yet and still trying to figure out how to be a professional worth millions. It takes time.
I imagine these numbers would look even better if they'd had a decent coach and a real leader at the point.
I bet those numbers would look even better if they'd trade Jalen Green and give all his points to Sengun
Wow a thread with an actual intelligent take. It’s definitely made me feel a little better. Thank you Good Times!
I don't know how you can judge a 20 year old player under our current coaching. We should not trade anyone (except EG) until we have a new coach and actually see how they play then.
Looking at raw numbers like that can often give people a false sense of quality. For example, John Wall's season in Houston going by your format would be John Wall 20.6pts / 3.2 rbs / 6.9ats In that way it looks good, yet his actual performance was absolutely terrible which shows up when you look at John Wall TPA -18 / 50.3TS% / -0.007 WS/48 How about we look at everything you posted in that light? Jalen Green @20 as a SOPHOMORE TPA -65.2 / 53.5 TS% / .027 WS/48 Jaylen Brown @ 20 as a ROOKIE TPA -102 / 53.9 TS% / .053 WS/48 Shai Gilgeous @20 as a ROOKIE TPA -23 / 55.4 TS% / .074 WS/48 Zach LaVine @20 as a SOPHOMORE TPA -62 / 54.8 TS% / .054 WS/48 Donovan Mitchell (you chose to omit it because he started at 21....and because his rookie numbers were so much better than Green's Sophomore numbers) TPA 63 / 54.1 TS% / .095 WS/48 Now these are just randomly picked metrics, and they certainly aren't the end all, be all, but they are a hell of a lot better than just looking at raw per game point totals. Also, as a note, TPA is a compilation stat, so Jalen's -65.2 is likely to keep getting worse unless he starts playing better, so think of that as something like -120 for a full season at the current pace. Now what do we take from this? Jalen Green is considerably worse in his 2nd season than everyone you attempted to compare him to, even when they were rookies. I'm happy that he finally had a good game last night against essentially a G league caliber team, and I hope he can keep it up and turn things around. That said, there's PLENTY of completely valid reasons to be concerned about how poorly he's played thus far. He was sold as a "budding superstar" and there's been essentially nothing suggesting that is likely to be the case. Instead what we've seen is a streaky rather than good, ultimately inefficient, shooter who has only one thing in his bag, a sign that says "go fast", who is a dumpster fire on defense. Now, by all means, the book isn't closed on him. He could turn everything around eventually, but let's not pretend like there's no reason for concern.
Why no Marcus Fizer stuff, or Hasheem Thabeet, or Darko Milicic, sometimes they don't develop.....or Kwame brown..... DD
