now it makes sense why EG is still a rocket. Stone's a confirmed idiot just like Tilman. Nothing more than his little puppet
asking price is a good young player for Eric Gordon… LMAO what a joke this FO is…newsflash dumbass Stone, nobody is giving that up for EG, cut the bullsh*t already and with regards to a 1st round pick Haven’t u MFers been leaking that you’ve had multiple 1st round pick offers for EG these past 2 years? We all know that’s a lie. this organization just looks so dumb ladies and gentleman, y’all give it up for the Houston Timberwolves…
Maybe Stone learned it from Morey. Remember Morey asked for a farm for Simmons who refused to play? Well, Morey did get a pretty good return after a whole year. Maybe Stone thinks he will too eventually.
Spoiler: Timberwolves Exploring Trading D'Angelo Russell D'Angelo Russell is in the final season of the four-year $117 million contract he signed as a part of a sign-and-trade to the Golden State Warriors in 2019. As such, Russell's current team, the Minnesota Timberwolves are figuring out how to proceed with the veteran point guard. Minnesota is exploring the trade market for Russell, while prioritizing adding a point guard under team control. One rumored target for the Wolves is Mike Conley of the Utah Jazz. Given that Russell isn't a lock to stay in Minnesota, the Wolves are exploring his trade market, as opposed to losing him for nothing in the offseason. The Timberwolves are expected to be well over the cap, so they would have no way to replace Russell, or his salary slot, if he left as an unrestricted free agent. Russell is shooting a career-high 46% from the field, while averaging 17.1 points and 6.2 assists per game. He's served as a stabilizer of sorts in a Wolves backcourt that has seen both injuries and inconsistent play this season. SHAMS CHARANIA/THE ATHLETIC EGO+KPJ+Boban for D'Angelo Russell and Luka Garza Minnesota being over the cap, they can't risk losing Russell for nothing. Here, they get similar production as Russell from KPJ on a team friendly contract that buys them a little time. They can evaluate his play through next year and either trade him as an expiring, simply let him walk or pick up the team option. He and Gordon could help their playoff push this year while giving them some flexible options going forward. In Russell, the Rockets get a slightly better player than KPJ, but one who brings some veteran leadership while still being relatively young. If Houston can sell itself to Russell and the fit feels right, he might be worth re-upping in the offseason. If not, no big deal if he walks. That scenario means that the Rockets don't have any picks to show for Gordon, but they also don't run the risk of going with a buyout or straight up release. It also gives the Rockets an additional $8M in cap room this summer by moving on from Porter. You could buy a first round pick with the savings if it's really that important.
EG, KPJ, Boban, trade exception for Russ and one of the Lakers’ first round picks. With the KPJ extension I think the salaries work.
The higher salary on the extension doesn't actually kick in until next year. Without Wall, we no longer have a way to make a deal with the Lakers work (for WB).
Stone is not getting get a 1st round pick but I can see Stone getting a young prospect... to save face. Maybe we can get a backup center who can block shots and shoot 3s(Mo Bamba).
Jalen Smith isn't working out in Indiana. He's in the dog house. Looks like Pacers want to be competitive. EG home coming?
Houston Rockets Trade meter: 6 What to watch: Eric Gordon and Kenyon Martin Jr. Let's start with Gordon, who has been a regular on this list ever since the Rockets began their rebuilding process. Gordon is an experienced veteran who has played 55 career playoff games, averaging 16.0 PPG and shooting 36% from 3. He also has a non-guaranteed salary of $20.9 million for next season that becomes guaranteed only if the Rockets (or the team that trades for Gordon) win the title. There are three big questions the Rockets have to ask themselves when discussing any potential Gordon trade. 1. Is the culture of the locker room at risk if Gordon is moved? The Rockets have the second-youngest roster in the NBA right now, and the fourth youngest since 1998-99. Gordon and Boban Marjanovic are the only two players in their 30s, and Gordon recently voiced his displeasure with the development of the young roster. "There's no improvement," he said. "Same old thing all year. We have a small margin for error. It's a lot of things. It's mindset. You got to play for one another. Do what's right by your teammates. If you do that, it'd be more fun. You give yourself a better chance to win." The Rockets are once again last in the Western Conference and have gone 43-145 since trading James Harden to Brooklyn in 2021. 2. If a first-round pick is not in play, is moving Gordon a nonstarter? There are only nine teams (Indiana, Memphis, New Orleans, New York, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Phoenix, San Antonio and Toronto) that control all their first-round picks in the next seven years. Gordon is averaging a career-low 12.2 points per game, shooting 42.7% from the field and 35.2% from 3. Getting a team to give up a first-round pick for him might be difficult. 3. Does Gordon have more value next season with Houston or in a trade package? Because his contract is non-guaranteed next season, Gordon would count as $0 in outgoing salary in a trade made over the summer (he counts as $19.6 million, his current salary, for any trade made before the deadline). As Adrian Wojnarowski reported, Harden would have interest in a return to Houston if contract talks broke down with Philadelphia this offseason. Houston is projected to have at least $40 million in cap space, even including Gordon's non-guaranteed salary for next season. Meanwhile, Martin has outplayed the four-year, $6.1 million contract that he signed in 2020. He's averaging a career-high 11.0 points per game this season in a career-high 24.6 minutes per night. He is currently eligible to sign a four-year, $58 million extension, but that would cut significantly into Houston's cap space this summer. Martin currently has a $1.9 million team option for 2023-24 and will become a restricted free agent if it is declined. Houston could also pick up the option, which would make Martin an unrestricted free agent in 2024. Because of the six-month extension restriction, Martin is not eligible to sign an extension if he is traded to a team at the deadline. Front-office trade history: Rockets general manager Rafael Stone has made 16 trades since he took over in October 2020. Five of those trades, including the James Harden blockbuster in January 2021, have occurred during the regular season. The Rockets received four first-round picks, the right to swap firsts in four seasons and Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum and Rodions Kurucs. The Rockets eventually drafted Tari Eason with the Nets' pick this past June. There are two unprotected firsts (2024 and 2026) and three swap rights (2023, 2025 and 2027) that remain outstanding from the trade. Last regular-season trade: Houston traded Daniel Theis to the Celtics for Dennis Schroder, Bruno Fernando and Enes Freedom at last year's deadline. Trade we would like to see: Kenyon Martin Jr. to Phoenix for a 2023 top-14-protected first. If not conveyed, Houston will receive 2023 and 2025 second-round picks from the Suns. Trade exceptions: $3.9 million Cash available: $6.4 million (to send and receive) Salary info and restrictions: The Rockets are $14.4 million below the luxury tax. Because of the Bruno Fernando signing, Houston is hard capped. The Rockets are $20.6 million below the ceiling. Kevin Porter Jr. has a poison-pill restriction in his contract. For trade purposes, his contract counts as $3.2 million in outgoing salary and $15.2 million in incoming salary for the acquiring team. Draft assets: The Rockets are owed two unprotected first-round picks from Brooklyn (2024 and 2026). They also have the right to swap firsts in 2023, 2025 and 2027. Houston owes Oklahoma City top-four-protected first-round picks in both 2024 and 2026. The Thunder also have the right to swap firsts with Houston (top-10 protected) in 2025. The Rockets have seven second-round picks available to use in a trade.
Allowing Harden to dictate the roster is the reason we are in this mess in the first place. Is it really being suggested that he is still being allowed to do it while playing for another team? Stone can **** off!
lol. I'm laughing because if they're suggesting EGo will still be here and Harden will be back, some of this forum is going to commit seppuku and end it all.
this sh#t makes my head spin. But since I am already resided to the belief that we can’t get much for EG and the front office has made it clear that they are okay with him playing out his contract, I guess I’m not that surprised. I think EG is just a role player at this point in his career so it’s hard for me to understand him being that consequential to what happens this summer, I’m sure the front office wants all the ammo they can use to attract top players like James so we can start winning next year. Is that a good rebuilding strategy? Guess we’ll find out.
Harden and Gordon weren’t good enough to get it done with Chris Paul. But somehow they will when they are 5 years older? I realize Stone has been making deals since he was 4 or something, but it feels like he is getting used for leverage, Tim Purpura style.
Conspiracy theory time: What if Stone doesn’t want to piss off Gordon so he’s leaking out there that “Harden likes playing with Gordon” so EG doesn’t go nuclear and demand to be released after the trade deadline?? Because… Stone wants EG’s expiring salary to match up in a Summer trade for a second star to go along with Harden or whoever they sign?? … I always said that people are forgetting what the Clippers did which I thought could be a blueprint for Stone to try and manage as rebuild option A. I’ve also said to not get too attached to these young guys because it’s more likely than you think that Stone will not think twice to trade someone like Jalen or Sengun like the Clippers didn’t think twice about trading SGA for PG or the Wolves when they traded Levine for Butler. I theorize that they now see more value in EG’s expiring contract in a trade than they do the 2nd round pick they could maybe get now… they just can’t let that be known publicly or EG will demand to be waived.
((Let's pretend this Harden and Gordon thing in Houston has legs)) Do we think they would be hoping to win the title in 2024? More likely just make the playoffs would be the goal, and get some experience for the young guys. It would be like a bridging loan until the current young guys (hopefully plus Wemby!!) are ready to take the next step. I dunno... I am wildly in favour of a Harden return just because he is about the best passer in the NBA, and seems content to get people to their spots first. Then we get to see if this cluster of talent has any ability to take direction (assuming a new head coach). Gordon would simply be the required vet presence (off the bench?)
