WOW! It's amazing how this place can change on a dime, now Green is not the chosen one if somebody had made this thread 2 months ago it would have been 5 pages by now with everybody telling the poster how stupid he was.
Is Zach Lavine or Bradley Beal the chosen one? Those guys have allstars on their team and still can’t get their teams to the playoffs and that’s Green’s UPSIDE comps. Hopefully he can reach it.
Proven right? Jesus Christ. You also need a lesson of how fickle these 20 year old comparisons are. Literally 2 weeks of Green doing something real good like having some convective 40 pt streak is going to make you embarrassed saying these things.
Can you link to these GM's and NBA analyst? I don't disagree that he is a higher level asset I just don't know how you know what they are thinking.
Green definitely has more upside than those two. Why is that his ceiling? Can you give a sound statistical argument why? Look I don't live in Houston for a while now. I'm kinda addicted to the NBA. That means I have a lot of interactions online and with colleagues and friends and have spoken to Bulls/Wolves fans and they outright tell me that Green has a much higher baseline skill set than Lavine. You think Green can't handle a ball? You should see 20 year old Lavine games. Hardly any advanced dribble moves. Couldn't even do step back combo dribbles. Very basic offensive skill package.
I have been saying the same since before the Green draft and people think I have an issue with Green I don't I just realize a 2 guard his size is not who you want to build a team around.
Well just yesterday the Athletic(pretty reputable) organized a list of assets for the Rockets. Both Green and Jabari were ahead of Sengun.
No you literally called it a pattern based on one and a half seasons. You don't even allow for a simple phenomena of sophomore slumps. That's how narrow your scope is. And I remember you now. You were so adamant for Mobley. You definitely aren't an objective arbiter here as you are 90% fueled by wanting to be right
Why would having a consecutive 40 pt streak change anything they would be outliers and or flukes, I mean you thought his play last year after the All Star break meant he was already that dude.
So that's one, got any others? Did those same Gm's and Writers have Smith as a better prospect than Banchero?
No. This was made last week. I mean I can list all the players rankings from various media analyst outlets that have Green ahead of Sengun. I've not seen a single source outside Rockets media that ranks Sengun as a higher prospect than Green. This year, before he was drafted, whenever. Hence my conclusion that hardly any analyst or GM would think Sengun is a higher asset. I mean even you, someone who has put down Green very often subconsciously knows this. Can I ask you what makes you believe Green is a higher asset than Sengun especially given the fact Green is a more expensive player with his rookie contract relative to Sengun due to their position in the draft.
My point is how fickle these player vs player comparisons are for 20 year olds with 1 and a half years of NBA experience. 2 weeks changes narratives hence my statement about how fickle these are. Ignore "40" points. How about just Green being really good for 2 weeks like that stretch where we beat the Bucks, Suns, Sixers etc BECAUSE of Green. So basically something Green has done before. Two weeks of that and the people who have been really aggressively harsh on Green quite down and people like me post more often which makes GARM significantly more pro Green than now. Hence the fickle nature of these comparisons.
I also agree that Green is the higher trade asset than Sengun. But only because there’s a sucker out there for “potential”. In reality, Sengun is going to end up the much better player and I’ve been saying that since draft night. Down the line the trade values will align with reality but right now potential is still worth something.
And one thing is certain. Green hypothetically having a positive rest of the season with improving isn't going to result in 10+ threads about Green being the franchise player. It's because Rocket fans are Green fans while a lot of Sengun fans aren't Rocket fans. Hence why when Sengun is having good times you'll see 10+ threads about him being the franchise player while belittling the rest of the squad. It's kinda pathetic.
The suckers have money on the line. You don't. You don't have any skin in the game besides wanting to be proven right. Those suckers put far more thought into their decisions than you. Again, because they have actual money on the line.
Half the season is over, there’s nothing fickle about it. No two week stretch will change anything. Sengun has proven to improve by leaps over last year. Green has so far improved exactly 0, which is pretty concerning. That’s not to say there isn’t the sophomore slump like you said or that he can’t improve next year and the years beyond. I haven’t given up on him reaching the comps I had for him on draft night, but certainly you would like to see improvements right now rather than not.
Yeah, it’s actually exactly the opposite of this. Sengun gets love because he’s actually a player type capable of carrying your team, even if the ceiling of that is a top 4 team without the help of a better player than him. Green’s ceiling just doesn’t contribute to winning as much, which is why the Bulls and Wizards are perennial losers. Most of the hardcore Green fans are kids who grew up watching mix tapes exactly like Austin Rivers said. The true Rockets fans can see who will lead this franchise to wins, please don’t belittle us.
Saying he improved exactly zero is silly. For example he's apparently has no ball handling skills(even though opposing team commentators, multiple, literally said he has impressive handles for his age) yet has the highest ppp for pnr plays with high volume on the team even more than our pg. His ftr is also really high for a 20 year old guard. Especially a 20 year old guard who is slight of frame. Please express your points in a manner that makes you sound objective. Because right now you aren't doing yourself a service to defend Sengun over Green by being extremely biased. If you want to convince people, given Green some credit for areas he did improve so you don't seem like someone just wants to be proven right from a initial position instead of sincerely holding that position from observation and objective analysis given context.
Okay has Sengun's better play and increased usage resulted in wins? You know the time of the season when the Rockets were actually winning games.. and against some of the best teams in the league, who was performing the best? Who has the highest usage rate jump in wins vs losses out of Green and Sengun?
