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Chapter 4: The Green Revolution

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Oct 16, 2022.

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How many wins will Jalen lead us to?

  1. 20-29 wins

    125 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. 30-39 wins

    61 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. 40-49 wins

    11 vote(s)
    5.2%
  4. 50-59 wins

    13 vote(s)
    6.2%
  1. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

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    You have to factor in relative number of shots in those areas to determine which is a significant variable.
     
  2. BigMaloe

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    No, not really.

    I do know he takes mid range shots at an increased rate this year compared to last, while also covering them at a lower %.

    He's actually reduced his 3pt shot frequency as well as his 0-3ft frequency from last year and it's no shock his efficiency is down.

    His increased free throw rate and the volume of 3s he shoots is what's making him somewhat efficient, which he hasn't been.

    He'd be significantly worst if he cut three ball out.
     
  3. larsv8

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    No, that is not accurate.

    With all other things being equal, if he took zero 3s this year, his TS% would increase from 53% to 56%
     
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    Show the math because that sounds like complete bullshit.
     
  5. jimmyv281

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    There is a legit possibility that the 2023 top 4 picks this year will turn out to be better pros than anyone on this Houston Rockets roster.
    1. Wimby 100%
    2. Scoot 100 %
    3. Brandon Miller 50/50
    4. Amen Thompson <Jalen Green
     
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  8. J Sizzle

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    He looks like a classic Lavine/Gerald Green/etc. type who can score when he's hot, but otherwise won't provide much and likely won't be the leader of a winning team.

    I fear we messed up not taking Mobley. Hope I'm wrong but this year has been completely disappointing with how he has not developed in any tangible way.
     
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    We have to seriously take players with an existing bag and not just shooters with chucking potential.

    At least we would not have to worry so much during the process.

    The Worriers are just too hard to copy.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Gerald Green?

    Our fanbase simply cant handle a rebuild.
     
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    Wonder at what point the Rockets are going to realise they let the rot of KPJ seep into Jalen's persona for too long.

    I see more Stromile Swift (athleticism > skills) than I do Kobe Bryant in Jalen.

    When you're as bad as he is at so many facets of the game, you best be busting your ass every minute out there on the court to make up for it.

    This is where keeping KPJ is a disaster for Jalen.

    He's learnt from 'head honcho' that he doesn't need to look for his teammates, he's learnt that it's cool to not even care about the defensive side of the court. He's learnt when the going gets tough just fold.

    How much longer until he knows where the soup table is?
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Stromile Swift?

    Calm down people.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Green has a rather deep bag for a 20 year old scoring guard.
     
  14. J Sizzle

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    He's better than Gerald Green but similar type of player. Jalen is not helping you on defense, playmaking, rebounding, etc. He's there to score, usually not efficiently, and that's pretty much it right now.
     
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    He was helping you at playmaking like a month ago when he was racking up assists. He has scored efficiently at chunks of his short career. He's 20 about to turn 21 in his sophomore season.

    Right now disappointing means he is molding into Bradley Beal rather than Ja Morant. Not that he's molding into Gerald Green hoping hed become Bradley Beal.

    That is the part that irks me about the absolute dog **** takes on Green. It's the whole Bobby thing where during his first half of his rookie year he was hoping he'd be Corey Brewer level in his prime.
     
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    It's possible that one day he'll become a good shooter rather than just a streaky shooter and perhaps eventually develop one or two tools to go in his bag that currently only contains a sign that says "go fast". If he does those things he'd become a quality one way player, but so long as he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, maybe a bench role would be better for the team.

    He's looking a lot more Lou Williams than Kobe.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Also I doubt Gerald Green was ever scoring 60+% of his fgm unassisted. He was a lot more catch and shoot than self creator.

    I mean that statistic for Green specifically has a lot to do with also our poor offensive system not creating easy assisted looks for Green.
     
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    Why do you feel like you have to outright lie like that? Do you think it helps your argument?

    I know you aren't actually stupid enough to think that a person saying they are concerned a worst case scenario is that Green never develops and becomes a Corey Brewer type is hoping that happens... so why do you pretend to be that stupid?
     
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    There was a poll in another thread where the fanbase here at ClutchFans seemed to respond realistically regarding the expected number of wins for this season but when I read some of the player expectations from the fans the two don't match.

    If you expect our rookie or sophomores to perform like rookie\sophomore LeBron or Luka then you are going to be disappointed. If you expect there to be flashes, highs and lows, two steps forward and one step back... generally inconsistent play, then you are spot on.

    Are there things that can be improved... heck yeah, but most (not all) of it rests in the hands of the coaching staff. This team should have more structure, tighter rotations, an established offensive focus, and rigid defensive schemes. Too many times I see players waving off or turning down screens and post ups for mismatches. Too many times I see players deciding on the fly when to switch or looking confused about how a particular play would be covered. This crap even young teams (even more so for younger players) could and should show some type of consistent progress, but midway through the season we still look lost in most of these areas.

    I lay this at the feet of the coaches and the buck stops with the head coach.
     
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  20. SamFisher

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    Let's not get ahead of ourselves with the Gerald Green comparisons - 36% from 3 is too much to ask from Jalen at the moment
     
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