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  1. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    A fascinating video "cartoon" filled with a lot of accurate information, in my humble opinion.
    Things are looking very grim for Putin and Russia.

     
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    Russians claim to have destroyed 4 Bradleys... unfortunately the US hasnt delivered any of them to Ukraine yet. Probably came from the same place that the 200 HIMARS they've destroyed came from.

     
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    Drone footage shows Ukrainian forces trapping fighters from Russia's Wagner Group in a lethal crossfire
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    Jan 14, 2023, 3:55 AM

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    Footage of Russian soldiers in a crossfire with Ukrainian forces.
    Ukrainian state border force
    • Drone footage shows the Ukrainian troops annihilating a unit of Wagner fighters in Soledar.
    • The footage comes from the Donestk region, the scene of some of the war's most fierce battles.
    • Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has painted a grim picture of the situation in the town.

    Drone footage posted on the State Border Service of Ukraine's Telegram shows the Ukrainian military winning a firefight against the infamous Wagner Group.

    The Wagner Group is a private army with close links to the Kremlin that has been at the forefront of the bitter battle for Soledar in eastern Ukraine. It has conscripted many of its fighters from Russia's prison system.

    The video shows soldiers — who the State Border Service of Ukraine identified as Wagner Group fighters — being monitored by a drone.



    The soldiers then come under fire from Ukrainian fighters using large-caliber machine guns, resulting in a number of injuries, according to the border force.

    The video ends after a series of Ukrainian artillery shells explode among the Russian unit, and the unit's men appear to be lying immobile on the ground.

    In a Telegram post, the State Border Service of Ukraine described the events.

    "In Soledar, we explosively meet the Wagnerites. At the beginning of January, the border guards, together with the units of one of the mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, held back the enemy offensive. Our aerial reconnaissance detected a group of enemy infantry.

    Approaching the positions of our defenders, the Wagnerites came under a favorable crossfire. Large-caliber machine guns inflicted casualties on the enemy. The defeat of the occupiers in this direction was completed by a well-hit artillery strike, which was also corrected by the border 'bird.' Effective aerial reconnaissance is the key to success on the battlefield."

    Insider has been unable to independently verify the footage.

    Fighting in the salt-mine town of Soledar, in the Donetsk region, has intensified recently, with Russian troops — including the Wagner Group — making tactical advances and now controlling most of the settlement, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.


    On Friday, Moscow said it had finally captured Soledar. But Ukraine officials disputed the claim and called it "information noise," reported the BBC.

    Speaking during his nightly address from Kyiv on Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said: "The tough battle for Donetsk region continues, the battle for Bakhmut and Soledar, for Kreminna, for other towns and villages in the east of our country continues.

    "Although the enemy has concentrated its greatest forces in this direction, our troops – the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all defense and security forces – are defending the state."
     
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  4. basso

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    @SamFisher why didn't Biden approve Patriot missile batteries last winter when the war first started? or even earlier, since he knew Russia intended to invade?

     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    I’m not doubting that footage but it’s very clear that Ukraine is suffering a setback in Soledar.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/interactive/2022/ukraine-road-to-war/


    I think alot of people magically forget what happened and have no idea what happened. Biden sent his CIA chief to Moscow (burns was a CIA agent back in day to Russia) and he had a meeting with putin in which he warned putin. Putin told burns he didn't care about sanctions and he wants ukraine. Burns left Moscow and told zelensky and they laughed at him. Zelensky advisor called biden a war monger and told burns that Russia was posturing.

    Zelensky REFUSED to arm and prepare for the invasion. Luckily the CIA had been training special ops team in kyiv for an attack (this team saved ukraine by eliminating the paratroopers in the first days of the invasion).

    https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-se...v-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html

    People always mention how usa thought ukraine wouldn't survive a few days and that's only true because ukraine REFUSED to share any military intelligence before the invasion. America literally had no idea what ukraine inventory was. Lloyd Austin said usa knew Russian army better than it knew the ukraine army.

    If it wasn't for the usa the reality is ukraine wouldn't even be standing here today. Zelensky is doing an awesome job post invasion but he utterly failed his nation and his responsibilities pre invasion. He sincerely thought usa would intervene and fight against Russia.

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    Imagine telling the folks that are trying to save your life that their worst than Russian propaganda. YIKES
     
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  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes. A lot seem to forget that Zelensky and many in Ukraine didn't think that Russia was serious about invading. In the very early days of the invasion it did seem like Ukrainians were taken by surprise. What kept them from being overrun quickly was very poor planning by Russia.
     
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    Buy 2, Get 1 Free! funeral deal in Krasnodar. Machine translation from Google.

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  10. astros123

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    What kept them from losing was the elite squad the CIA trained. This squad literally helped saved kyiv as it eliminated the biggest threat to kyiv during the original invasion which were the paratroopers. Russia had landed troops at the Airport right outside of kyiv.



    If Russia managed to keep control of the Airport it would be the end of the war. They could easily resupply their convoy and take kyiv.

    Luckily the elite troops the CIA trained and equipped eliminated the Russians and thus forcing Russians to retreat from kyiv.
     
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    Graphic design by MS Paint 95.
     
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    Yeah, this vid says the same thing in more detail.
     
  13. basso

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    @SamFisher why is Biden sanctioning the deaths of Ukrainian civilians?

     
  14. larsv8

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    There is dumb, then there is.
     
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    That battle was a $hitshow. There was a Brit and an American on the ground who were veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan. Those 2 guys and the other men they were with nearly died from Russian jets and helicopters. They had to flee into the woods. Then the Brit and the American had the pleasure of being mistakenly identified as Russian spies, and were beaten by Ukrainian agents until they figured out who they were. Both of them headed for Poland after that.

    The Russians also made a big mistake of not clearing all the buildings around the airfield. A few Ukrainian soldiers hid in a building and were able to call effective artillery on Russian positions.
     
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    It's so crazy that ukraine didn't even share their military intelligence with us. If you read the former Ukrainian ambassador who trump fired she says in detail the amount of distrust zelensky had in America after the trump blackmail. He though all American leaders were narcissistic douche and this is a huge role in why zelensky didn't trust us when we tried warning him.

    Don't forget the CIA helped launch cyber attacks against Russia during the early days. I don't think people realize the only reason ukraine exist today is because of America. It's crazy how such huge events come down to such small things as who's the president at the time.
     
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    People realize Ukraine would be done without the US just not for the reasons you are talking about. If we turn off the weapons and/or the intel flow they are toast. Europe isn't capable of filling that void fast enough to stop the Russians. Also, we did more than cyberattacks. We were and still are running sabotage missions in Russia through another NATO country's intelligence agency for deniability. Those fires in Russia at aerospace defense buildings, fuel depots, and destroyed railway bridges aren't random coincidences.
     
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    Certainly that squad saved the airport but also the poor planning of the Russians made it very difficult for them to overrun Kyiv even though they committed a lot of troops and armor. That was that 40 mile long traffic jam of armor outside of Kyiv.
     
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    Don't forget hodges claimed the only way ukraine would survive is if we somehow issued a no fly zone over ukraine and helped them defend their skies. The guy was literally promoting for world War 3 and these goons want us to take their opinion. It's so incredibly amazing how there's never any accountability for these military folks and their bs hysteria.

    With all due respect to the Ukrainians (I love ukraine) giving them long range missles with their command set up is asking for world war 3. Their military command is very decentralized and their folks on the ground have final say. In the heat of moment you have no idea what they're going do. They never asked our permission before they bombed Crimea bridge.

    Sadly, let's not forget that the EU had issued a report a year ago stating how corruption was still very real inside the ukraine army and one of reasons they weren't allowed to join the EU preinvasion. Corruption doesn't magically go away in the middle of a war.
     
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    CIA director secretly met with Zelenskyy before invasion to reveal Russian plot to kill him as he pushed back on US intelligence, book says
    • CIA Director Bill Burns met with Zelenskyy on a secret trip ahead of the Russian invasion last year.
    • Burns warned Zelenskyy about Russian assassination plots at a time when Zelenskyy cast doubt on US intel.
    • The details of the Kyiv meeting are laid out in Chris Whipple's forthcoming book on Joe Biden's White House.

    CIA Director Bill Burns met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on a secret trip to Kyiv ahead of the Russian invasion last year to share news that appeared to surprise the Ukrainian leader: the Russians were plotting to assassinate him.

    At that time, in January 2022, Zelenskyy had been dismissing the idea that Russians would carry out an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and was suggesting America's public warnings were creating a "panic," noted Chris Whipple in his forthcoming book, "The Fight of His Life: Inside Joe Biden's White House."

    It was unusual for the US to publicly disclose intelligence like this, suggesting Washington was confident in its assessment of Russia's intentions. But just weeks before Russia invaded, Zelenskyy expressed concerns that such warnings would have a negative impact on the Ukrainian economy — and emphasized that Kyiv was used to facing threats from Russia.

    "Burns had come to give him a reality check" and the CIA director shared that Russian Special Forces were coming for Zelenskyy, writes Whipple, adding that President Joe Biden told Burns "to share precise details of the Russian plots."

    "This immediately got Zelensky's attention; he was taken aback, sobered by this news," Whipple wrote in the book, set for release on January 17.


    Russia invaded Ukraine the next month, launching the largest military conflict in Europe since World War II. Since that time, Ukrainian officials have spoken about Zelenskyy surviving more than a dozen Russian assassination attempts. But Whipple, who interviewed Burns, gives readers a glimpse of how the stakes were laid out to Zelenskyy as he tried to push back on US warnings about an impending invasion.

    "The intelligence was so detailed that it would help Zelensky's security forces thwart two separate Russian attempts on his life," he wrote.

    As previously reported, Burns also shared a "blueprint of Putin's invasion plan" during that visit in Zelenskyy's office to help him prepare. Whipple wrote. He previewed Russian plans to attack Antonov Airport north of Kyiv and to use it as a staging area for an assault on Kyiv.


    Whipple wrote that most interviews for his book were on "deep background" which meant that he could use the information but he agreed not to quote sources directly without permission.

    The US has been a key partner for Ukraine throughout Russia's unprovoked invasion, which began in February 2022. Kyiv has received billions of dollars in security assistance from Washington since the war began, and the US has continued to provide Ukraine with vital intelligence to aid its forces on the battlefield.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cia...y-russian-plot-to-kill-before-invasion-2023-1
     

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