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Bags and Biggio

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Rocket River, Jul 16, 2004.

  1. bigboymumu

    bigboymumu Member

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    Dude,
    Are you related to the guy. let me use my caps to spell it out. IF WE DO NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFSS, WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES. THAT MEANS KENT SHOULD GO, THAT MEANS BIGGIO SHOULD GO, AUSMUS SHOULD GO IF ANYONE TAKES HIM.. THAT MEANS WE NEED TO ADD SPEED ON THE BASE PADS, RANGE ON DEFENSE, LEFT-HANDED STICKS IN THE REGULAR LINE-UP, ARMS IN THE OUTFIELD....
     
  2. bigboymumu

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    One more thing, the 3 million we would use on Biggio next year could be used on a proven reliever!
     
  3. codell

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    Im not related to anybody, just trying to understand your logic and what criteria you base it on.

    Sounds to me you have some sort of grudge on Biggio and that no matter what he does, or how well he does, that you don't want him back.
     
  4. Rocketman95

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    That, or we keep a very productive player for 3 million and use some of the Kent money on a proven reliever.

    Glad you're not the GM!
     
  5. codell

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    Your kidding me right??

    You think having some middle/set up relief is more important than a having one of the better leadoff hitters in MLB on your team??



    :confused:
     
  6. bigboymumu

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    Yes, I do believe that. I would prefer to have Dotel than Biggio! This year, next year, any year after that!
     
  7. The Real Shady

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    Dotel is going to get more than 3 mill per year.
     
  8. bigboymumu

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    Ok, I'll take Mota, Rodriguez, Rincon, Hawkins, Farnsworth.....
     
  9. Preston27

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    And how are we supposed to get them?
     
  10. HillBoy

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    They have reached the point in time when Garner must place the good of the team above that of Bagwell, Ausmus, Everett, Berkman, Kent, Pettite and the rest of these guys. Actually, at 12 games out, they are well past that point which is why Jimy is sitting in Florida as I write this. It's time to set aside what happened in the past because this is the here and now. There should be one and ONLY one criteria for playing from here on: PRODUCTION. Guys who can't produce on the field should sit and watch from the dugout. They really have no other alternative left to them at this point.

    Not that it will do them much good. I see a team that can't pitch or hit - a team that's getting beat by the opponent's 4th and 5th starters - a team that appears to be done. All that's left is the funeral services for the 2004 Astros season.
     
  11. MadMax

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    wait a second...you'd take farnsworth's season over biggio's right now??

    please tell me you're joking.
     
  12. bigboymumu

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    OK! Let me make it simple.... I would rather spend that 3 million that would go to Biggio on an 8th inning guy! You guys can pick the one you want. OK?:)
     
  13. MadMax

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    ok...to be clear here. a guy who pitches one inning every other game or so is more valuable than a leadoff hitter batting over .300 and scoring over 100 runs?? at the same dollar value, you'd rather have the occasional 8th inning guy than the guy getting 4-5 AB's every game and hitting over .300?
     
  14. bigboymumu

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    Dude, quit spinning things! Biggio has lost as many games this year (because of his defense) as he has won (because of his offense). The guy is too old. It's time to make changes. Starting with Biggio.


    You always defend Drayton, Hunsicker, and Biggio. Interesting that those guys along with Bags are the foundation of the Astros! If you want to blame anybody, you blame those 4!
     
  15. MadMax

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    post some evidence to back up your conclusion that biggio has cost more games than he's helped win.

    the guy has been asked to change positions not once, but twice in less than 1.5 seasons. he's playing off an entirely different angle than he ever has before at a corner position. agreed that he's average to below average as a LF. but as a leadoff hitter, few are better right now...and on a team that desparately needs to hit better, he's the only one playing with any consistency.

    you always blame drayton, hunsicker, biggio and bagwell. i'm with you on bagwell this season, though it's injury-induced. but you're a freaking moron if you're laying the blame for THIS SEASON on drayton, hunsicker and biggio.
     
  16. bigboymumu

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    You don't need to resort to name calling. You don't have to agree. We can disagree. It's not the end of the world.

    But, I'll give you a prediction. You can call me out if I am wrong. Biggio will not pull his weight next year. He is doing fine this year (offensively) but he is too old. You do not have to wait until it's too late to make changes. i.e. Bagwell!!!!
     
  17. Phillyrocket

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    I love Biggio and Bagwell too but watching Bagwell this year has been a painful experience. Actually watching this team has been painful.

    Honestly this has to be the most underachieving team in baseball history. Yeah we got injuries so does everyone else. I was fully planning on seeing a competitve team with Oswalt and Miller as 1-2. Then bringing in Clemens and Pettite I thought great now everyone elses 3-4 starters are going to have to face Oz and Miller.

    But the whole damn team outside of Biggio, Clemens, and Lidge has underachieved. You can't pin this on any one person or injury. I was flabbergasted during the playoffs when Biggio, Bagwell, Berry, Bell, etc. couldn't get a run to save their life. But with each addition Alou, Berkman, Castilla, Hidalgo, Caminetti, I figured here's some new blood someone will drive in that run, someone will step up. Never happened.

    Watching Beltran yesterday go 0-5, I just got this sickening feeling that the trend was continuing. There is something really wrong with the Astros and it starts with the original B's.

    As much as I wish the Stros would go on a tear and get the wildcard, I just can't see it happening. What's worse Kent and Clemens are gone. That I can live with. I'm sure we'll resign Biggio, that's okay too. What's really frustrating is another 18mill year of watching Bagwell drag himself out there.

    Beltran is going to walk boys and girls we all hoped that Randy Johnson would stay once we traded for him but we couldn't pony up the dough. Someone (probably those damn Yankees) is going to offer Beltran a ton of money. We know Boras will get all he can. Point is if we want to pay someone 18mil give it to Beltran! Convinve Bags to retire, take a front office job, be the batting coach, hell be the head coach he couldn't be any worse than Garner. If he really cares about this team he should quit hurting it and himself. Be a man and swallow your pride.

    This season hurts but next year w/o Clemens, Kent, or Beltran will be even worse.
     
  18. Refman

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    Yeah, I sure am glad that we don't have any good, young talent like Everett, Berkman, Beltran and Ensberg.

    Oh wait...we do.

    It isn't like we took 25 guys out of the nursing home and slapped uniforms on them.
     
  19. redgoose

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    Yup! I agree with everything you said. Even the Yankees wouldn't take on Bagwell's contract. Heck, they could get RJ for less.
     

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