1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Paolo Banchero as a ORL Magic thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TimDuncanDonaut, Jun 26, 2022.

  1. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,853
    LOL wut?

    The most valuable thing you can have is the ability to get good shots in the playoffs, there is nothing Smith does that would more valuable than what Banchero could do as a scorer and playmaker.
     
    Yung-T likes this.
  2. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    25,408
    Likes Received:
    13,279
    The Orlando have a ton of high picks playing i didnt realize until now.

    Players picked 1, 1, 8, 7, 19 in the starting lineup tonight.

    Bench wise: 25, 15, 8, 5, 6

    Good lord that is a lot of talent (predraft perceived or not)

    Also... this isnt in reference to anything discussed just pointing it out. Magic has been tanking/losing FOREVER. Probably add one more top 10 pick this year lol

    One last thing, only 4 of those 10 players above was actually drafted by the Magic.
     
    jiggyfly likes this.
  3. DrNuegebauer

    DrNuegebauer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2000
    Messages:
    11,910
    Likes Received:
    8,484
    All true. And they may continue to win infrequently for years to come yet!

    However, it does appear as though they picked up the best player in both of the drafts for the last 2 years. And those players are both oversized 6'10 wings.

    We'll see where to from here - no doubt they can screw it up
     
    Jontro and peleincubus like this.
  4. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    25,408
    Likes Received:
    13,279
    in my crappy opinion i think F Wagner has less than a 5% chance of being the best player from 2021. Top 5 certainly though.
     
  5. eliefor3

    eliefor3 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2019
    Messages:
    3,241
    Likes Received:
    4,570
    Paolo is really good but honestly what would he be doing here? He would not get nearly as many touches or opportunities to score and would have offensive numbers closer to Jabari than his Orlando numbers. Honestly I would not be surprised if Jabari would have numbers closer to Paolo (Orlando version) than Houston version Jabari if he played with Orlando too

    I think based on what we have on our roster and how Jabari can be effective even when getting inconsistent shots, I still like him on the team.
     
  6. RasaqBoi

    RasaqBoi Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    17,079
    Likes Received:
    20,704
    No. Night and Day when you compare the 2. Paolo is much much bigger physically and height wise. He handles the ball well and honestly shoots better at this point. Paolo can get his points without the offense feeding him.
     
    Verbal Christ likes this.
  7. eliefor3

    eliefor3 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2019
    Messages:
    3,241
    Likes Received:
    4,570
    Still need the ball to score.
     
  8. intergalactic

    intergalactic Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    419
    Yes, agree. Paolo is very good, but his TS% is only 54.6% compared to the league average of 57.7%. That doesn't mean an average player can do what he does (first options generally take harder shots than role players), but it does mean that extrapolating his play to a true #1 option has a lot of caveats. There is a massive gap in his efficiency compared to established star frontcourt players like Jokic, Tatum, and Luka, mostly due to his weak 3pt shooting.

    To improve his efficiency he'll most likely have to become a significantly better 3pt shooter. If he can't then his more natural role on a championship team would be as a very good #2 option, which is nice but much less valuable than a #1. It's still early. He might be able to do it -- will be fun to see.
     
    eliefor3 likes this.
  9. Spooner

    Spooner Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2009
    Messages:
    8,039
    Likes Received:
    2,803
    Is that why Jabari shot 3/19 in his one tournament appearance and led his team to an embarrassing upset loss? Paolo put his team on his back and led them to a final four appearance. His efficiency improved when the pressure was at its highest. That’s what you’d expect from a guy who has led his team to multiple state titles in multiple sports. Jabari has won absolutely 0 in his basketball career. What are you basing this off?
     
    #369 Spooner, Jan 11, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2023
    dmoneybangbang and Yung-T like this.
  10. Spooner

    Spooner Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2009
    Messages:
    8,039
    Likes Received:
    2,803
    He’s creating his own offense as a rookie. And shooting the same % from 3 as Jabari Smith. What are you expecting? Why does Seth Curry have a much better TS% than Steph? Could it do with usage? Paolo’s outstanding court vision makes him an ideal candidate to be a focal point in an offense regardless of his rookie year TS%. Come on now…
     
    RasaqBoi likes this.
  11. Spooner

    Spooner Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2009
    Messages:
    8,039
    Likes Received:
    2,803
    Lebron James had a 48% TS% his rookie season….
     
  12. YaoMac09

    YaoMac09 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2008
    Messages:
    4,862
    Likes Received:
    2,422
    If he had Paolo the more likely outcome is KPJ would be playing more off-ball. His ability to actually generate an offense + shiny new pick syndrome will ensure it. For as bad as Jabari is playing, he is getting absolute free reign to jack up shots with no repercussions. The reason Jabari is just a role player in our offense is because he can't do anything other than miss. We're not just going to chuck Paolo into a corner if we had him lol.
     
    Yung-T likes this.
  13. intergalactic

    intergalactic Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    419
    "It's still early. He might be able to do it -- will be fun to see."
     
  14. MystikArkitect

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    10,632
    Likes Received:
    15,989
    It's true. Johnny Juzang and Adam Morrison have set the NBA ablaze after their noteworthy NCAA tournament performances.

    Jabari and Chet project as plus defenders which are a premium in the *playoffs*. I don't care how much offense you produce, the buck stops at what you can do in the playoffs. Paolo could magically turn into a plus defender....though he probably wont. He just doesn't have the defensive acumen of a Jabari or a Chet. Jabari is a 3 and D wing that can guard in space, has elite lateral movement, an unblockable jump shot and was efficient with it for the majority of his life. He's in the NBA now and is learning/adapting to it's spacing. He's going to be at minimum an integral piece to a playoff team.

    Banchero is going to be the #1 option on a playoff team. That much is true from what we've seen. But can he produce more points on offense than his presence gives up on defense? Folks here are ready to catapult Sengun to the moon due to his defensive issues when Paolo is very similar. He isn't even as quick as the likes of James Harden. He's going to get dragged into space and abused. I've seen this story before. Hopefully the Magic surround him with plus defenders because he is not one. I guess watching Harden for 10 years and lose over and over again to the Warriors has taught me that offense only heliocentric players that can't play sound defense aren't necessarily the best strategies for winning titles. Like the Yankees and the Phillies relying on the long ball to get them through the playoffs. When they take that away from you what else do you have?
     
  15. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,853
    Yeah, that's why I laugh when people keep saying the rebuild should be over after this year.

    It seems they finally got lucky with Wagner ang getting the #1 to Draft Banchero everybody else is a guy.
     
  16. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,190
    Likes Received:
    24,219
    I don't think people are saying that the rebuild should be over after this year. Tanking should be over because of the draft picks situation. You don't stop rebuilding after you stop tanking. Tanking is only one aspect of rebuilding.
     
  17. i3artow i3aller

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    20,163
    Likes Received:
    37,874
  18. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    97,889
    Likes Received:
    40,483
    Orlando is for real
    They got Banchero
    And we got Ranchero
     
    BigShasta and J.R. like this.
  19. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,286
    Likes Received:
    156,011
  20. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,028
    Likes Received:
    21,251
    past few weeks i see teams constantly trying to get him on switches defensively and then use him like bbq chix
     
    Reeko likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now