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Mid season evaluation

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Nook, Jan 10, 2023.

  1. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

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    Dude we know you were not checking for Jrue Holiday when he was just 4 years in and we know that you don't know if he was a "sounder" player than what KPJ is.

    What we do know is that he played on much better teams and had a top 5 player in Davis which KPJ does not.

    If he was so much ":sounder" why were his numbers even worse?

    You can just stop with the B.S> as if you know who was the more sound player at this stage.
     
  2. jiggyfly

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    Yes he does pass if you cannot even admit that then you are worse off than I thought if he does not pass why is he still top 25 in assist when his asst numbers have dipped?
     
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  3. jiggyfly

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    I agree with this, but it's very telling you had to narrow that to 1 or 2 years when it took Ingram 4 years to really break out and KPJ numbers are in line with Ingram's trajectory.
     
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  4. Stephen_A

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    You do know he played for Sixers his 4th year right? I watched him play so you are just assuming right now. Did you watch him closely or just looked at the stats just now when making your point? There’s more to numbers as I have explained clearly. If you don’t believe me then watch the game tape.
     
  5. Stephen_A

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    Of course I was using hyperbole but again look at the game tape. If you don’t understand what you’re watching then ask questions. Several instances each game he doesn’t look to pass to the corners or wings when he has an open player. He missed the roll man a lot. And he opts to shoot or take it himself in these situations. It’s not just about him making the wrong reads or missing plays but his mind is made up to score. Him holding the ball in most sets stagnates the offense. I don’t put it all on him as the system and style the Rockets play doesn’t set him or the team up for success either. The issue is he isn’t looking to pass in many of his possessions opting to go one on one even when he doesn’t have the lane or a shot and not making the right reads. Game tape shows this. Analysts including Hollins and writers have written about this and Rivers just gave us this take couple days ago. But don’t take our word for it watch the tape closely.
     
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  6. cheke64

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    Very good comps. Thumbs up
     
  7. jiggyfly

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    What's wrong with looking like Lavert or Dinwiddie? They are both good rotational players on good teams.

    I don't think anybody is untouchable and I also don't think Green or Smith will be better players just because they are younger players I don't really think Smith will ever be a better player because he is so limited but I could be wrong.

    I don't understand why any of these players have a leash at all if KPJ was traded tomorrow for better assets I would not bat an eye I just don't understand why people act like he is a spare and that Smith or Green has shown to be the better players or are untouchable.

    We have seen a year and a half of Green being just as much of a go-to guy and that has mad you more excited, why?

    What makes you think anything is going to be better by putting KPJ on the bench, do you think Sengun would be more productive by sitting the best 3 point threat and playmaker we have on the team?

    This is my point all of these benching scenarios does not make anybody else better it actually hurts them, if anything else KPJ is a threat that allows those guys to operate better.

    What are we solving by moving KPJ? Do you want the ball in the hands of Green more? hat has happened to make you think that will make anybody else better?
     
  8. jiggyfly

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    You are the one that needs to ask questions, I understand totally what I am seeing.

    The fact that you think he does not pass and goes one on one the majority of the time tells me you don't know what you are actually seeing and just have an agenda.
     
  9. astrosrule

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    You don’t think smith will ever be better then kpj? What would you do then if you think green and jabari are both busts? Dump them for whatever you can get and try to keep next years pick?
     
  10. Stephen_A

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    Lol because i seek to gain millions with this secret agenda.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    Yeah I know that, and it does not take away from my point at all he still played with better players than what KPJ is playing with, and the numbers did not get much better when in NO they are about the same as KPJ currently.
     
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    Who said it was secret?

    it's obvious to all.
     
  13. Nook

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    No, Sengun is pretty bad defensively. He cannot play in drop and he gets burned straight up. Hopefully his intelligence and hard work make him playable on a really good team, but he isn't there. He would benefit greatly in Wemby ends up with the Rockets.

    Sabonis isn't the Kings best player, and I have questions about how his style of play will work in the playoffs.

    Miller and Divac were better defenders than Sengun, and McHale was vastly superior and in a different era as well.

    Kanter isn't a lazy comparison, because I am comparing them as both having strong offensive games and weak defensively. Kanter also had physical limitations that kept him from being an elite player defensively, just like Sengun.
     
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    like who?
     
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    Alexander may be better than Booker, he is one of the quickest players in the world. Just take his offensive numbers with a grain of salt because of where he plays.

    Booker is used as the textbook example of a player than is a multiple time all star but not a franchise player. He can have huge games and help you win titles but he isn't dragging you into the winners circle.
     
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    I don't think they are both bust I just realize Smith will always be limited and I think KPJ is a pretty good player already and can still make a leap.

    I really don't have an opinion on Green But I don't think he does anything really better than KPJ with that said he can also make a leap and he has another athletic gear so his ceiling could be higher.

    I was never a huge Smith fan but I thought he was the consolation prize among the big 3 and hoped that he had more in his game than shown in college but now i am just hoping that he will become a elite 3 and D guy and so far he is not elite at 3 or D guy.
     
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    But i mean if THREE years from now jabari isn’t better then what kpj is currently, he will be a bust. If he’s a high end 3 and d guy thats miles above what kpj has been.
     
  18. Stephen_A

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    What gain do I seek? Like you I offered my opinion which you don’t like and like many on this site argue as if you were sleeping with the dude or perhaps trying to prove your worth or maybe this site gives you self esteem. Hey do you bro
     
  19. DatRocketFan

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    Kpj- dog sht at pg due to lack of court vision, low bbiq, and passing game. Improved other aspects of his game. Defense is sht, doesn't try his best when moody. His development at pg is hindering everybody else, best b moved to a different role when we get an actual pg.

    Green- inefficient at his shots, need to work on his ability to hit shots. Improve many aspects of his game. Defense is sht but he makes an effort to b better. His newfound Ability to draw fouls is a positive to see.

    Smith- Defense is better than most on the team, needs to b more aggressive in utilizing his God given physical attributes to score rather than just camp at the 3 pt line waiting for kpj to never pass the ball

    Sengun- most efficient godlike player on offense for this team. Passing game unmatched. Bbiq is up there alongside garuba. Great rebounder and always good at boxing out, good fundamentals. Poor Defensive game and lack of range is his most glaring weaknesses.

    Gordon- sht vet presence. Needs to b traded ages ago.

    Tate- not much to talk about since he was Mia most of this season

    Kmj- a role player who is good at cutting and dunking. His offense output comes and goes, inconsistent.

    Garuba- high level energy, probably the best defensive player on the team. High bbiq, great passer, improved dramatically from last year. Surprisingly one of the better 3 pt shooter. Good rebounder, but disgustingly inept at offense. Needs to have some sort of offense weapon to b playable.

    Mathews- glorified cheerleader who once in a while contributes to offense.

    Nix- back up pg who shouldn't even b on the team due to his lack of urgency or drive to play the game. Man is lucky tyty Needs time to prove himself to silas. Mins already being reduced, so that's a plus. Expected to b traded or cut eventually.

    Tyty- needs more mins, he had shown flashes of being a competent pg

    Eason- man has his up and down but he is a good rookie to have on the team. Man need to finish better at the basket and b more confident/consistent.

    JC- lost and never to b let out of silas dog house unless it's garbage time. I thought he was great last season but the way he's being utilize its like he's been labeled and made a bust for hanging out with tilmans daughter. Need to b set free via a trade.


    Silas- dogsht coach. Horrible rotations, inflexible mindset. Favors kpj like it's his firstborn. Refusal to stagger his players mins creating an unbalanced team. Refusal to utilize sengun offensive playmaking skills.
    Still wants to turn kpj into the next luka/harden when the man clearly lacks the ability of either. Does not have the balls to call out any players doing dumb sht aside from sengun. Godlike at challenges.
    Tank maestro.
     
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  20. jerryclark

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    mobley, wagner, giddey are definitely better. Barnes is debatable but probably not
     

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