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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Astrodome

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    The attention to this issue by the president is appreciated.
     
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    this is like the poster Marshall Bryant in the Astros forum. He can’t stop interjecting his (idiotic) politics into sports.
     
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  3. Astrodome

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    Dumb comment by the announcer for sure but it wasn't totally unrelated as the fan fiesta for the bowl had to be cancelled due to the venue being used as a migrant shelter.
     
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    fair distinction, but it is the same stupid instinct to interject their politics where not appropriate or welcomed. Like B-bobs story about the lady who wouldn’t shut up about Covid being fake in the waiting room. It’s like a disease that’s spreading.
     
  5. Commodore

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  6. FranchiseBlade

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    So cleaning up was bad?
     
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    You righties can't cry about Biden not visiting the southern border anymore. In fact, since the end of 2022, he is averaging a visit down there every 2 weeks.
     
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    I am so sick and tired of both sides playing hot potato with immigration, can we agree that no one side has had a viable plan since......ever!! Every year each side uses it for political points but no one fixes it. It is very complex and there are more questions than answers but why can't both sides sit down and come to an agreement on some basic talking points and then have "adults" from both sides sit down and start the process. If I had a dime for every political ad that made it look like the cartel was coming to my house to supply, my cats (I have no kids) with fentanyl and then go rape all the women on my street before killing all of us I would be retired in the country that is supposedly coming to kill me

    One of the low points for me with Uncle Joe is this issue, address it head on, what we're doing cannot be sustained and we can't take human lives and subject them to our F`d up politics...........these are real people, there not numbers or slogans
     
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    I agree with this sentiment and i don’t support the policy put forward by Biden. I see this as a sop to critics rather than a serious attempt to address the issue. Yes there are problems at the border but enforcement and trying to discourage people from coming isn’t going to make much of a difference if Trump’s policies didn’t work (there were record numbers coming to the borders then too) they aren’t going to work for Biden.

    I will say again that the solution to immigration is to greatly increase it to be much closer to the actual demand that there is from people wanting to come and from businesses willing to hire. This will take it out of the black market and weaken the cartels and those who want to use the human smuggling networks to also smuggle things like fentanyl. To address that demand more resources should go to the border to help facilitate new immigrants coming into the country.
     
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    Also the most empathetic way to reduce illegal immigration isnt militarized enforcement and stripping away all current undocumented migrants without a ounce of consideration to the amount of families that are going to be broken up and how much pain and depression that will cause. The best way is to fully enforce and prosecute business owners who want to maximize profits by finding illegal ways to find cheap labor.

    No fines. Prison sentences.
     
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    The fact that E Verify isn't mandatory at the federal level (a few states do require it) tells you all about how serious folks are about addressing the issue. The country needs the workforce and population growth that immigration provides. The current "system" is a joke but neither party (as evidenced by states that could unilaterally mandate E Verify but choose not to) is willing to touch the issue...
     
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    Biden doesn't speak Spanish. There was no reason for him to see migrants. The goal was the photo in front of the wall. Mission accomplished.
     
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    I don't think just targeting business owners for hiring illegal immigrants is the answer either. It will be very costly to enforce and if we're complaining about inflation now it will skyrocket if such a policy is enacted.

    Immigration is a supply and demand issue. There is a ready supply of people willing to come and work and there is a ready demand to hire them. Artificially trying to stop that is bound to fail as with any area where the laws aren't in line with the supply and demand curve. Our country can handle much more immigration but we can also find ways to improve conditions in the countries they come from to reduce the desire they leave.

    One of the reasons why I am in support of trade and globalization is that economic development in other countries actually encourages people to stay in those countries. If we want to keep people from coming here their opportunities at their home countries need to improve.
     
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    Yes this was a photo op. Really having the President go to the border "see for himself" doesn't really mean much.
     
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    I don't think it's that complex TBH. It can't be improved because it's way too useful to many politicians.

    Executive (from POTUS to each of the governors) that truly care about this issue and not just play politics with it can only do so much. Their only real value in solving this problem is providing leadership and convincing the nation on a path toward real immigration reform. There have been reforms that the POTUS on both sides were ready to sign (from Bush to Biden). That a minority of Congress members on both sides have put forward. But Congress refuses to act mostly because a good number of their members only care to play politics with this issue and Americans keep on electing ideologues that refuse to compromise on immigration.

    ps. Biden's latest executive policies around Immigration here are liked by the Right (who will never vote for him) and hated by some progressives. I guess they calculated where they think the mainstream is. Personally, I think he realizes with the House under GOP control, there is nothing to do but to ease the negative political attention on the issue. It's mostly for 2024. He's running.
     
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    The Repugs do not want to do the type of things that would cut down on much of the immigration as it is their current main issue. 1) Give more temporary work visas. 2) Stop trying to embargo the economies of Venezuela and Cuba. All it does is drive the folks to try to get out. 3) The Mexican president is begging the US to send funds so drought stricken Guatmalan peasants who can't make it on their own little plots can be paid to plant trees which will eventually help with the dought. The US birthrate is below replacement and Mexico's has greatly decreased and is not that much above replacement. In Guatemala it is roughly 2.5 births per death and tha tis why both Mexico and the US have lots of migrants from Mexico.

    The Repugs thrive on racism and now it is not quite so polite to be so open about it so the focus on immigrants.
     
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    I don’t get some people’s fascination with building a wall. It is known that the wall will not keep out illegals.
     
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