If I’m Stone I’m looking for a trade such as this where the main targets are injured to free up minutes for everyone.
I mentioned FVV & Turner several weeks ago ..... but it looks like FVV is having a really down season, have to wonder if he's worth signing at the $40m per year .... He's been less efficient than ..... KPJ. I'm not so sure about throwing 30% of the cap at that. Even then, Toronto has the advantage of being able to offer a 5th year and 8% raises where other teams can only offer 4 years and 5% raises. He'd be leaving a pile of $$$ to walk away from Toronto. NBA Compensation Overview — CBA Breakdown Turner is better than anyone the Rockets have at the 5 spot and a good shooter all around 55/41/82 splits. I'm not so sure that Indiana is interested in trading him or if he would resign with them rather than explore other options. You aren't getting him for EG and garbage tho .... it would take a solid offer to entice them to make the move and you have to wonder how much the Rudy Gobert trade this past offseason impacts the price of doing business going forward .... I wouldn't be giving up 4 #1's. Turner is still at the top of my list of offseason acquisitions ..... but there's a logjam at the 5 spot as is with Sengun, Bruno & Garuba all playing well. You'd almost be forced to make a decision on who to keep and who to part with in adding Turner. Sure, you could keep all of them, but it seems like a waste of assets to park two of them on the bench behind Turner & Sengun who would likely get the bulk of the minutes. I think that this is the ideal situation for Sengun, allowing him to be the first big off the bench where you can hide him defensively and he can feast on the offensive end with the second unit. Back to PG - if not FVV then who? There's just not a lot out there at the position but I'd really hate to make a $180m 4 year mistake on a player who's taken a step back. That would be hard to recover from .... its a potential John Wall / Russel Westbrook contract that would cost you multiple picks to rid yourself of. Other notable FA's at the position - D'Angelo Russell Jordan Clarkson Reggie Jackson Kemba Walker Coby White None of which I'd want to throw max money at.
Jerami Grant is shooting close 44% this year from 3. He could be a cheaper option at the 3/4 spot. He's averaging 22 ppg, 57% efg. His rebounding is a weakness. He is always under the radar. He would add much needed experience to our front court, and reliable shooting. This gives a scoring punch while giving Bari/Tari time to polish and grow their games. He'll be 29 at the start of next season. A combo of Grant and Turner may not be the worst use of a good portion of our cap space. He is making close to 20m this year. Would 25-30m be too much of an overpay?
Really happy someone bumped this thread. I think Josh Hart is someone we should be taking a long look at in free agency for 6th man. move KPJ, KJ, EG. We don’t need them. If it’s time to win it’s time to bring in dogs like Josh Hart. You develop your future stars like Jabari, Green, Sengun, our 2023 pick, and u surround them with dogs like Tate, Josh Hart, Tari, etc.
The big domino will be whether Harden returns. If he does, I expect the Rockets to be extremely aggressive. Needs to be urgency regardless. Will Stone acquire an impactful player alongside him via trade or FA? I would love Wemby (wouldn't we all?), but if no Wemby, maybe Myles Turner can be had via free agency (assuming Pacers don't extend him)? Need a rim protector who can also run the floor. It's fair to question Sengun's fit moving forward. The direction of this team should become much clearer this Summer and I can't wait. Was initially keeping my eye on Khris Middleton, but not sure about the likelihood. Will he opt out and test free agency? Also, his injury concerns should be notable... this season hasn't been kind to him
We are pretty boned if we miss out on Harden and fail to draft Scoot. D'Angelo Russell Jordan Clarkson Reggie Jackson Kemba Walker Coby White Ain't it. They might barely b better than kpj but I rather suffer another year in hopes kpj become the player dd and booby have a boner for 24/7 then throw max money at folks on that list. Hopefully tyty gets more playing time
Looking at these 2023 free agents. I like: Cam Johnson (restricted) Josh Hart Derrick Rose Turner FVV
Free agency isn't the best Idk if this team really wants to invest with Kuzma , Barnes, or even Middleton Pg looks weak outside of harden . And Harden has had injuries in the last few years that make you think twice . Also he took a discount last time , so what's his mindset this FA ? I'm guessing trying to get paid . Guys I think will be OK fits that we can Get , and might have to overpay .. we need to make short term contract maybe HARDEN ROSE Next tier down Saric/ Gallo if cheap Robin lopez/ DeAndre Jordan Neto / Bryn Forbes Okogie Nkitilina Trade for miles Mcbride
Alright, here's the plan: 1.) Trade Gordon for an expiring and a future pick at the deadline. 2.) Waive or dump Christopher, Fernando and Garuba to free up cap space. 3.) This leaves us with 64 million in cap space. 4.) Sign James Harden - 4 years 146m - starting at 34m 5.) Sign Myles Turner - 4 years 129m - starting at 30m 6.) Trade KPJ, Sengun, Tate and 2 Nets picks for Pascal Siakim 7.) Draft BPA, this is my pipe dream, so obviously Wemby Harden / TyTy / Nix Green / KMJ / Mathews Smith Jr / Eason Siakim / Turner / Wemby
Sub OG Anunoby for Siakim? Maybe works better and gives a legit wing stopper. No idea if the Raps would consider trading him though
We don't need to free up more minutes for headless chickens. We need minutes for veterans. It's that simple to me. You can't have this many young development projects on the court at the same time. It just is asking for chaos and players to be always in wrong spots and being in the way of each other. 5 players on the court at the same time trying to learn the game and figure out their place in the NBA is asking for trouble... And stunted development.
To me three young guys are "untouchable" as of now and that's Green, Sengun and Bari. Keep Eason also and dump all the other young guys for veterans
Man, some of y’all are delusional when it comes to Turner. There is no way in hell you pay him that much. He’s an elite role player but always hurt. He has his strengths but overall he’s a shot blocker that can shoot the 3 and be a lob threat. He’s a finished product that isn’t worth what he’s going to be paid
I agree totally. Signing him to a max or near max deal is crazy. He is a pretty sh*t rebounder. Yes, he’s good on defense and can hit a three, but max no way. It would be a panic move.
I've been thinking a lot about Turner. He is not worth max money, but how much do you pay him? I'm thinking he gets at least 30M per year. Is that an over pay? He is entering his prime next year. You described him perfectly as an elite role player. His strengths are all that the team needs right now (shot blocking, lob threat, 3 point shooting). But he doesn't rebound. Does get injured a lot. Effort has been questioned in the past. He would be a net positive for this team, but how much is too much in regards to his next contract?
Creative. This is a great “the world hates us and we get the third overall pick (or worse)” plan. With Wemby you don’t need Turner. Siakam plays a ton of minutes at the 5, also With Scoot you don’t need Harden
It’s tough because his skillset is valuable, but it’s the type of contract that can cripple a team and not allow them to actually get star players.
Definitely do not hand out a 4-year guaranteed max to anyone right now unless it's an FA coup - i.e. we're signing someone way better than we were expecting at the market rate or below. We're in a rebuild, literally one bad contract can drop you from elite contender to mediocre perennial contender. DO NOT delude yourself just because Tilman has been quiet: our owner will NOT pay the LT even if it's worth it until AFTER a title is won. The competition at the top is fierce, we were a $10-$15m player away from defeating Durant's Warriors. That's how close it is. Why take big risks now? I know you're thinking these guys will be good and then the young guy will grow and it will all work out, but it won't. That's how you end up in playoff purgatory. The extensions will start kicking in fast especially for our team and the money will become unmanageable. At that point, you cannot dump a well paid aging Turner or FVV for anything of value. Just stay patient. We've done this so many times Rockets fans and we always end up in the same place with a predictably cheap owner. Bringing in end of career stars and acting like it's the same as signing a marquee player in their prime. Dwight, T-Mac, Westbrook, Paul. Then they start penny pinching with the role players, then they start feuding with the overpaid aging players. Time to put an end to this cycle. It takes more than that to win, we've learned that painful lesson now with Harden and before that with Yao/T-Mac. We acquire superstars or generate our own. We're not the franchise that's a platform for people to get back to their glory days or rebuild their value, f*ck that ****. Save the money and be patient for 3 years if necessary to get 1 or 2 FA's who are each worth every penny of every season of their contract.
