Maybe my memory is failing me. I thought he waived Mutombo and ate $37 million of his contract. If that's not getting burned I don't know what is.
Well, Thorn is still paying Mutombo and he's gone. Is that better than paying Van Horn to contribute his 16 and 7 (regular season only, of course). What about the fact that Dike, Zo, and Kidd's contrcts have essentially sent Martin to the Nugs? Or that Kidd is going to make max dollars for the rest of the decade, even though he very likely has left his prime? Name me one draft pick since the EG trade that is contributing on the Nets roster. Also keep in mind Martin was inherited by Thorn. Bonus - name me the Nets first round pick from this year. Name me one off-season signing (not resigning) from the past 3 to 4 years that is contributing on the Nets roster. Tell me how much faith you have in the Nets returning to the Finals in the next 5 years. Evan
Elgin Baylor works for Donald Sterling. I think the criteria should be GMs who despite working for owners with (semi) deep pockets still make bone-headed decisions. I gotta go with Codell. Chris Mullin, Garry St. Jean and the Warriors front office look like morons at this point. How can they give 6 yrs. $37 million to a 30 year old, 6'1" backup guard who shot 35% last year? Blows my mind.
Umm, no, they bought him out for 30 milion last season, he doesn't count against their cap at all. Van Horn might put up solid fantasy league numbers, but most of his teammates & coaches will tend to disagree with you as far as him being a desirable player to have, especially at 14 million or whatever he's pullling down. I believe Keith has got a player option for 05- 06 which he will no doubt exerciste, so to pay out the rest of his deal two years ago would have cost the nets somethig like 50 million. What caused them to not re-sign Martin is the fact that the franchise is pretty much in flux with the new owner and until they iron out whether or not they'll move to Brooklyn Zoran Planinc did play some minutes when Kidd was hurt this year. That's an asinine argument anyway; when you go to the freaking NBA Finals and pick in the mid-20's, you're not going to find too many players to come in and set the world on fire. But so you know, Nenad Kristic, their first round pick from a few years ago, is supposedly going to play this year; most scouts say he would have gone top 10 in the last two drafts. Right, I forgot about how important it was to overpay for free agents to be successful. Worked for the lakers this year right? And Maurice Taylor is working out nicely. So the Nets have concentrated on building from within. Big deal. The fact that we're even talking about the Nets going back to the Finals, again, would have been ludicrous to even suggest 3 years ago before Thorn took over. This essentially torpedos your entire argument. But anyway, 5 years is a long time, he rebuilt them in one offseason.
Worst GM? Let's see. Get rid of the most dominant center in the NBA AND get rid of the most successful coach in the NBA. Hands down, the worst GM is Kobe Bryant.
You know, I honestly had completely forgotten about one or two of the "bad moves" by Rod Thorn. However, considering how close they were to being league champions I bet he'd be willing to gamble on Alonzo Mourning and Dikembe Mutombo again and again if he could do it all over again. If they had worked out there would be a banner hanging from their rafters.
yeah, and it would still say Eastern Conference Champions. or Shaq and Duncan's b****, whichever they prefer. edit: forgot to weight in. i've gotta give it to danny ainge. extra credit for rising up the list so quickly. it took him almost no time to make a lifetime's worth of bad moves. how the hell he decided getting rid of walker was worth taking on lafrentz's possibly-the-worst-in-the-NBA contract is beyond me. that thing runs for like another 5 years and is just terrible (the fact cuban got him to do it means cuban can't be on this list).
Poor Swoopa, I think without a doubt the Warriors are the most inept organization, one of the worst in all team sports. Clips are cheap, but they have more future than the Warriors.
Point was, Thorn hasn't made one good move since the Kidd and EG trades. Not one. Ratner wouldn't allow them to match on Martin because they're already in luxury tax range. It has nothing to do with being "in flux." It has to do with the team being waist deep in the red. Thorn signs Childs, Childs is a bust. Thorn brings in Zo, Zo is a bust. Thorn brings in Rogers, Rogers is now a bust. Thorn trades his first round pick for cash and to save them from more contracts and can't keep Martin anyway. Thorn signs Kidd to the max when there's little chance he's still producing like an All-Star halfway through the contract. Thorn trades KVH for Mutombo, who ends up being a bust and waived. How has Thorn improved this team since 2001? Or did he pull a Kupchak the past few years? Evan
It's got to be Mullin. 6 years at 80 Million for Foyle and Fisher. Those are flat out, franchise crippling moves. Edit: Though it wasn't as if the Warriors Franchise wasn't crippled already.
What's funny to me is, all his moves up until now have been fairly good. The Foyle signing was just horrendous. Evan
OK, so you're blaming NJ's financial woes on Thorn because they're a lame duck team? I see, and this is his fault -- how? Let's take this alternative scenario then: THorn doesn't sign childs or mourning or rogers (who was effective for them earlier on). THorn uses late first round draft pick on player who doesn't do anything, like most late round picks. Thorn loses Kidd to San Antonio for nothing. Thorn pays 40 something remaining on Van Horn's deal as opposed to 30 on mutumbo's. How about reality: Thorn takes lottery team to NBA finals two years straignt. End of argument.
Was it worth the cost? That's what I'm asking. Keep in mind I put him on the "best gm" poll, too. I'd like to think you can argue both sides of this. As far as alternative, he could have dealt KVH for someone else, it didn't have to be an already regarded as past his prime Mutombo. Maybe Kidd gets a S&T for Parker. Who knows? I'm playing devil's advocate here. Evan