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[NY Times] Madison Square Garden Uses Facial Recognition to Ban Its Owner’s Enemies

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Dec 23, 2022.

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Dolan's facial recognition software

  1. MSG is a private company. Party on Garth.

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  2. This is outrageous!! fascism fascism fascism

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  3. Dolan's a genius. The Knicks are finally good.

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  4. It's been all downhill since Jeremy Lin left MSG

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  5. How does this affect tinman?

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  6. How does this affect Sengun?

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  7. Can we use facial recognition to ban Sengunatics? I'm serious.

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  8. Dolan vs Musk? . . . it's a toss-up

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  9. Toyota Center vs MSG? . . . no contest

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  10. Waiting for the Turley essay before making up my mind. Get back to me later.

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    private company: can it do what it wants? or this is horrible?

    Madison Square Garden Uses Facial Recognition to Ban Its Owner’s Enemies
    MSG Entertainment, the owner of the arena and Radio City Music Hall, has put lawyers who represent people suing it on an “exclusion list” to keep them out of concerts and sporting events.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/nyregion/madison-square-garden-facial-recognition.html

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    Over Thanksgiving weekend, Kelly Conlon, 44, a personal injury lawyer from Bergen County, N.J., was chaperoning her 9-year-old daughter’s Girl Scout troop on a trip into Manhattan to see the “Christmas Spectacular” at Radio City Music Hall.

    Before she could even glimpse the Rockettes, however, security guards pulled Ms. Conlon aside and her New York jaunt took an Orwellian turn.

    “They told me that they knew I was Kelly Conlon and that I was an attorney,” she said this week. “They knew the name of my law firm.”

    The guards had identified her using a facial recognition system. They showed her a sheet saying she was on an “attorney exclusion list” created this year by MSG Entertainment, which is controlled by the Dolan family. The company owns Radio City and some of New York’s other famous performance spaces, including the Beacon Theater and Madison Square Garden, where basketball’s Knicks and hockey’s Rangers play.

    Its chief executive, James L. Dolan, is a billionaire who has run his empire with an autocratic flair, and his company instituted the banthis summer not only on lawyers representing people suing it, but on all attorneys at their firms. The company says “litigation creates an inherently adversarial environment” and so it is enforcing the list with the help of computer software that can identify hundreds of lawyers via profile photos on their firms’ own websites, using an algorithm to instantaneously pore over images and suggest matches.

    Facial recognition technology is legal in New York, but lawyers have sued MSG Entertainment, saying the exclusion list is forbidden. The use of facial recognition technology to enforce it has raised an outcry not just from people turned away from Knicks games, but from civil liberties watchdogs, who called it a startling new frontier that demonstrated why the federal government should regulate the technology. The local grudge match has become part of a national debate over the specter of a privatized surveillance state.

    “It’s a dystopian, shocking act of repression,” said Sam Davis, a partner at Ms. Conlon’s firm who was turned away from a Rangers game this month at the Garden.
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    more at the link
     
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    He needs to use this technology to ban woke protesters who glue themselves to the floor cause they are angry non contributing members who hate chicken

    the people protesting his team sucks are fine
     
    #2 tinman, Dec 23, 2022
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    I think that's hilarious but it does suck for the people who are banned. Its just hilarious Dolan would go that far and it doesn't say much for him that he would do that. It's very Trumpesque.

    I understand being upset at being sued. I could understand taking it out on people suing but attorneys are just working and if it's a good case some attorney will take it. I don't know anything about Dolan but it reminds me of George Steinbrenner
     
    #3 pgabriel, Dec 23, 2022
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    Soho House has (unsuccessfully) been trying to keep lawyers out. They might need this...
     
    #4 AroundTheWorld, Dec 23, 2022
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    I would ban non contributing members who aren’t rockets fans
    No high tech needed for that

    i would ban Les Alexander
     
    #5 tinman, Dec 23, 2022
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    I don’t know enough MSG but if it was taxpayer financed and is supported by government money in its operations like many other stadiums there might be an issue. That said if it is privately owned and run I think there is a case here. The courts ruled that the Mall of America did count as private property and that the Mall could ban protesters and others. As is the mall does keep a list of people not allowed in mostly for a history of shop lifting.

    From what I recall the Mall of America did get taxpayer financing and some of its operating costs are covered from governments. For example there is a transit station there operate by the regional transit authority. it’s possible even if MSG has public money it still counts as private property and the owners can ban who they want.
     
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    It’s certainly petty on the part of Dolan. Not sure if there is a legal argument against it or even an argument of principle.

    Besides public property rights there could be an argument on the basis is of discrimination and equal access under the ADA. “Lawyer” isn’t a protected nor disadvantaged class so not clear how that works out.
     
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    #9 Xopher, Dec 23, 2022
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    They need to use this technology to stop all those woke people from attacking art like paintings and symphonies

    these people stick out like Mario cart characters
    Should be easy for a low tech device to detect
    @Os Trigonum
     
    #10 tinman, Dec 24, 2022
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