and if I may be allowed to play my whataboutism card, I haven't seen much of your law-and-order a-crime-is-a-crime philosophy in the Brittney Griner thread. just sayin'
Haha. You should have just pulled the whatabout Hunters Laptop or Benghazi. Since we want to be as obnoxiously unrelated as possible. But if you want my opinion no I don’t think Trump having love letters from Kim Jung or something stupid like that is the crime of the century and I have a feeling if there is no motive beyond that the charges won’t be filed. However it’s the motive and what else he was potentially rumored to be harboring that is disturbing to me. The special counsel I’m sure is looking into it a lot better than Garland was whose former team showed differential treatment you or I would not get.
pretty sure no one is downplaying that brittney griner committed a crime. folks are more irritated that we got trade r2pe.
Inside Mar-a-Lago, Where Thousands Partied Near Secret Files A Times investigation shows how Donald J. Trump stored classified documents in high-traffic areas at Mar-a-Lago, where guests may have been within feet of the materials. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/15/us/mar-a-lago-trump-documents.html
How not to secure top secret documents ... Inside Mar-a-Lago, Where Thousands Partied Near Secret Files A Times investigation shows how Donald J. Trump stored classified documents in high-traffic areas at Mar-a-Lago, where guests may have been within feet of the materials. A New York Times investigation reveals how easily accessible classified documents may have been to the thousands of guests who visited Mar-a-Lago in the months after Mr. Trump left office. The Times created a 3-D model of Mar-a-Lago and reviewed images from social media and other sources to show how people were, at times, within feet of the materials.
Word on the street and many many people are talking about a terminated maintenance worker at Mar A Lago selling nuclear codes he found in a clogged golden toilet.
Opinion: If the Mar-a-Lago case collapses? Disaster dodged, America. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/13/trump-mar-a-lago-biden-classified-documents/ excerpt: The discovery of classified government documents in President Biden’s Wilmington, Del., garage should spell the end of any realistic prospect of criminal charges against former president Donald Trump over his Mar-a-Lago portfolio of pilferage. *** Before continuing, let me be clear: I believe Trump is a bad person of low character, selfish and dishonest, intellectually lazy, childish and shameless, and that his presidency has been a terrible thing for the country I love. For this reason, I’m relieved by the likely collapse of the classified documents case against him. Because it was the strongest case against Trump, in terms of trial strategy, it was the most likely to produce an indictment — and indicting Trump is a terrible idea for those who genuinely hope to be rid of him. Politically, Trump is a dead man walking. He has lost the ability to drive the news cycle. His outlandish social media posts fall as silently as unheard forest trees. His declaration of his next campaign produced a yawn worthy of another run by Ralph Nader. As drum major of a wackadoodle parade, he marched through the Republican primaries last year, delivering candidates who bombed in the general election. Now no one marches to his tune. When he tried to influence the election of a House speaker, even the surviving zealots ignored his instructions. Lord Voldemort, near death, fed on the blood of unicorns to make his way back to power. If Trump is to come back from his self-made political disaster, he must have publicity to sustain him. Attention is his lifeblood — good or bad makes no difference to him. As Alice Roosevelt said of her father, Theodore, Trump must be “the corpse at every funeral, the bride at every wedding and the baby at every christening” — but unlike Roosevelt, Trump doesn’t care whether he deserves center stage. To be indicted and hauled into court for history’s most heavily publicized trial would invigorate Trump, and the spectacle would galvanize his dwindling base of support. He’d go from grumbling irrelevance in the gilded prison of his Mar-a-Lago mausoleum to ring master of a circus trial that would dominate every news outlet. The same earnest people who supported not one but two disastrously failed impeachments of Trump because, they averred, he needed to be shamed in the eyes of history would find that, nope! He’s just as impervious to conscience as ever. The law would play fair and Trump would play dirty — and you can ask O.J. Simpson how that works out in a courtroom inundated by hype. It must be observed that not everyone who hates Trump truly wants to be rid of him. Trump hysteria has rung media cash registers and raised the profiles of politicians. But it can’t be noted often enough: Only one person has occupied both the Oval Office and the world wrestling hall of fame. He got there by turning conflict into celebrity and celebrity into votes. Rather than reboot the old show as a courtroom drama, we must call off the conflict that feeds the beast. more at the link
This is how political consultants think and talk but it's not the reality of the law, and constitutional interpretation of presidential crime (high crimes) ramifications. The fact is Joe Biden is the sitting president. Under DOJ long standing legal counsel policy, you cannot charge a sitting president. Impeachment is the recourse that the Constitution provides.... this is assuming that the DOJ finds that Joe Biden committed crimes by stealing classified documents, and clearly prove intent. Trump on the other hand would have committed crimes such as obstruction along with stealing classified documents without the constitutional protections of the presidency. If the DOJ is going to give Biden "A Pass" it doesn't come without Congress being able to do what they were always going to have the power to do anyways. Because that is the longstanding interpretation of the Constitution. If the DOJ gives Trump "A Pass" it will literally be for purely political reasons... even if it is politically smart for Democrats as your article might be implying. If the DOJ has any sort of honor and wants to claim to be followers of the law and that's it... Trump will either be charged or Jack Smith will claim to not have the intent or hard evidence to prove crimes.... and either way... the DOJ will not stand in the way of Congress doing whatever they want to do with impeaching Biden. They could impeach him tomorrow if they want to. Either way it's not up to the DOJ unless it's a matter so urgent that America would fall if Biden wasn't arrested at that very moment.
Classified documents found at Pence's Indiana home https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...documents-found-pences-indiana-home-rcna67224
Not particularly surprised but like with the other cases support an investigation on this and if Pence did so out of extreme negligence or malicious intent then he should be charged also.
While I don’t agree with Pence, my guess is this was an actual mistake and the documents were in safe keeping. Interested in what the investigation finds.
As I stated a couple of weeks ago. There are probably many many thousands of classified documents scattered all over the place. There doesn’t seem to be any real protocols in place to keep classified documents safe and secure. Or, maybe people who have these documents just didn’t care about the protocols. I suspect many former presidents, senators, congress members and others have classified documents in their possession. In the end I don’t think anyone will be held accountable for possessing these documents. But, new systems will be put in place in order to protect classified documents going forward.
