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They are coming for Birth Control next

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Something not being a Constitutionally protected right does not make it illegal. There is no Constitutional right to play or watch basketball (basketball not having existed in 1789). No state has outlawed basketball. So, Americans can buy both condoms and AKs.
     
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  2. Xerobull

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    Preventive care such as birth control, anti-HIV medicine challenged in Texas lawsuit
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    Research shows that expanded access to preventive care and coverage has led to an increase in colon cancer screenings, vaccinations, use of contraception and chronic disease screenings.

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    The Affordable Care Act has survived many challenges in court, but the case of Kelley v. Becerra – now before a federal judge in Texas – threatens to undermine one of the most popular provisions in the law, which requires most health plans to provide coverage for preventive care with no copays.

    If the judge rules in favor of the plaintiffs, access to free birth control, cancer screenings, vaccines, PrEP (HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis), counseling for alcohol misuse, diet counseling for people at higher risk of chronic disease, and many more preventive services would be in jeopardy, according to the nation's leading doctors' groups, which have sounded the alarm.

    "The lawsuit could cause millions of Americans, probably more than 150 million, to lose guaranteed access to preventive services," Dr. Jack Resneck, president of the American Medical Association, told NPR. "There's really a great deal at stake," he said.

    The doctors' group points to research showing that expanded access to preventive care and coverage, ushered in by the ACA, has led to an increase in colon cancer screenings, vaccinations, use of contraception and chronic disease screenings. There's also data to show that expanded coverage has reduced racial and ethnic disparities in preventive care.

    saved billions of dollars in out-of-pocket spending on contraceptives since the ACA's preventive services and birth control coverage took effect. And since the overturning of Roe v. Wade, the Biden administration has taken steps to clarify the benefits. "Under the ACA, most private health plans are required to provide birth control and family planning counseling at no additional cost," according to an HHS release. (A small percentage of American workers are covered by grandfathered insurance plans that are not required to follow the ACA's preventive care coverage rules.)

    Plaintiffs in the Texas case argue that the preventive care mandates violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Some object to paying for health insurance plans that cover contraceptives, PrEP drugs, or other preventive care services that may violate their religious beliefs. Plaintiffs also object for economic reasons, arguing that the mandate to cover preventive services raises the price of insurance coverage.

    Plaintiff John Kelley, an orthodontist who lives in Tarrant County, Texas, "has no desire to purchase health insurance that includes contraceptive coverage because his wife is past her child-bearing years," according to the complaint. "He does not want or need health insurance that covers Truvada or PrEP drugs because neither he nor any of his family members is engaged in behavior that transmits HIV," the complaint continues. "Mr. Kelley is also a Christian," and is unwilling to purchase health insurance plans that subsidize certain types of contraception or PrEP drugs "that encourage homosexual behavior and intravenous drug use."

    Jonathan Mitchell, who is known as a key strategist behind the Texas abortion law passed in 2021 that bans abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy. America First Legal Foundation, launched by former Trump administration official Stephen Miller, is also providing counsel.
     
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    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    "The plaintiffs seem perhaps extra motivated by the contraceptive requirement and coverage of services like PrEP," says Katie Keith, director of the Health Policy and the Law Initiative at the O'Neill Institute at Georgetown University. But she says the lawsuit is broad in its reach: "This is very clearly a threat to the entire preventive services requirement under the Affordable Care Act."

    One of the plaintiffs' legal arguments rests on the nondelegation doctrine, the principle that Congress may not delegate its legislative power to other entities, explains Andrew Twinamatsiko of the O'Neill Institute for National and Global Health at Georgetown University.

    When the ACA was written, Congress empowered several groups to use their expertise to identify evidence-based preventive services. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices helped identify the appropriate vaccines, the Preventive Services Task Force reviewed evidence to recommend which procedures and services could be covered, and the Health Resources and Services Administration determined services and screenings for maternal and child health coverage.

    "The plaintiffs argue that this structure delegates too much decision-making power to the groups without providing sufficient guidance – or what they call 'intelligible principle' – to exercise their discretion," Twinamatsiko explains.


    Some legal scholars say that the argument that Congress has not provided enough specific guidance on what counts as preventive care could hold up in court.

    "I've argued for years that the phrase preventive care is very open-ended," says Josh Blackman, a constitutional law professor at South Texas College and a scholar at the Cato Institute. "The courts might react to this position by saying, 'Congress: If you want something like birth control covered, you have to be more precise," Blackman says.

    The case was argued in late July before Judge Reed O'Connor of the U.S. District Court, Northern District of Texas — the same judge who ruled in 2018 that the Affordable Care Act was unconstitutional. A decision is expected in the coming weeks.

    "I'm expecting a pretty sweeping decision that is likely to invalidate all the preventive care requirements," Keith says. Legal experts expect the case will be appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit and ultimately end up before the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Though the Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Care Act in prior cases, there's now a new make-up of justices. Scholars point to the recent EPA v. West Virginia decision, in which justices challenged the EPA's authority to act without specific direction from Congress. Georgetown's Twinamatsiko points to another case, Little Sisters of the Poor v. Pennsylvania, that also centered on the Affordable Care Act's preventive services provision requiring employers to include cost-free birth control in their health plans in accordance with the Health Resources and Services Administration guidelines. In that case, "Justice Clarence Thomas specifically said that the ACA's preventive services requirement seems to give HRSA virtually unlimited power to determine what counts as preventive care," tipping his hand at what his opinion would be if Kelley v. Becerra comes before the Supreme Court.

    State attorneys general in 20 states filed a friend of the court brief defending access to free, preventive care. And public health experts have weighed in too. "It's really difficult to take away something that people already have," says A. Mark Fendrick, a doctor who directs the University of Michigan Center for Value-Based Insurance Design. "If the preventive mandate were to be struck down, I believe lots of people will not get the preventive care they need."
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    Here they come!



    Remember folks this is what freedom looks like - evangelical wacko Matthew Kaczmaryk USDJ unilaterally deciding on what birth control you can use.
     
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  5. Xerobull

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    TLDR?
     
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    invest in condoms
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Father is suing the government for providing reproductive care to minors without parental consent. Nothing about what birth control people are allowed to use.
     
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    Father is always so cross.
     
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  9. bobrek

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    If folks agree with the judge's words...

    And so, last Thursday, the inevitable occurred. Kacsmaryk handed down a decision claiming that “the Title X program violates the constitutional right of parents to direct the upbringing of their children.”

    ...then those same folks must agree that if a parent decides their adolescent child should undergo a sex change operation, then that is their "constitutional right".
     
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    They are now making stuff up about the constitution like they do about the bible.
     
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  12. SamFisher

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    ^It's always this same bullshit that nobody buys anymore

    "It's just X" - where X = minor federalism point. Then it's Y, then it's Z and then it's national laws to ban abortion, the "independent state legislator theory", etc ad nauseum for any pet issue of the Republcian judges and justices, most of which comes from Fox News.

    The pattern of the right wing legal movement has been maximalism or the last 50 years. It's why we're even talking about getting rid of birth control, because they got rid of abortion - not just in a limited way but in as dramatic away possible, Republicans are trying to pass nationwide bans in the Senate, raped teenagers are being forced to have babies in red states, and now they want to go after Griswold.

    I don't know or care if hucksters like @StupidMoniker actually believe this ****, but nobody else outside the movement actually does anymore.
     
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Are you suggesting that this case is about what (if any) birth control women are allowed to use? That was what you posted:
    Is there something in his opinion that unilaterally imposes a restriction on what birth control you can use? I summarized the case at the request of another poster. Did I do it inaccurately? Is your summary more accurate?
     
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    How is the government providing care to minors without parental consent?

    Who made the doctor appointment? Seems like the family isn’t paying attention or the minor did it without parents consent.
     
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    They are changing “freedom of speech” via Tweet….. Does freedom of speech apply to private companies?
     
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    whole thread about that:
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Matthew Kacsmaryk, a Trump appointee to a federal court in Texas, spent much of his career trying to interfere with other people’s sexuality.

    A former lawyer at a religious conservative litigation shop, Kacsmaryk denounced, in a 2015 article, a so-called “Sexual Revolution” that began in the 1960s and 1970s, and which “sought public affirmation of the lie that the human person is an autonomous blob of Silly Putty unconstrained by nature or biology, and that marriage, sexuality, gender identity, and even the unborn child must yield to the erotic desires of liberated adults.”

    So, in retrospect, it’s unsurprising that Kacsmaryk would be the first federal judge to embrace a challenge to the federal right to birth control after the Supreme Court’s June decision eliminating the right to an abortion.

    Last week, Kacsmaryk issued an opinion in Deanda v. Becerra that attacks Title X, a federal program that offers grants to health providers that fund voluntary and confidential family planning services to patients. Federal law requires the Title X program to include “services for adolescents,”

    The plaintiff in Deanda is a father who says he is “raising each of his daughters in accordance with Christian teaching on matters of sexuality, which requires unmarried children to practice abstinence and refrain from sexual intercourse until marriage.” He claims that the program must cease all grants to health providers who do not require patients under age 18 to “obtain parental consent” before receiving Title X-funded medical care.

    This is not a new argument, and numerous courts have rejected similar challenges to publicly funded family planning programs, in part because the Deanda plaintiff’s legal argument “would undermine the minor’s right to privacy” which the Supreme Court has long held to include a right to contraception.

    But Kacsmaryk isn’t like most other judges. In his brief time on the bench — Trump appointed Kacsmaryk in 2019 — he has shown an extraordinary willingness to interpret the law creatively to benefit right-wing causes.
     
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    Religious right employing activist judges.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    No they're just narrowly deciding technical issues about parental consent

    - what liars want you to believe
     
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  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    This is literally from your own post (emphasis mine):
    The plaintiff in Deanda is a father who says he is “raising each of his daughters in accordance with Christian teaching on matters of sexuality, which requires unmarried children to practice abstinence and refrain from sexual intercourse until marriage.” He claims that the program must cease all grants to health providers who do not require patients under age 18 to “obtain parental consent” before receiving Title X-funded medical care.
     

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