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[Official] Astros Off Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. The Beard

    The Beard Member

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    OR, by not paying aging non productive players huge contracts, he can keep the Astros from going through a non competitive period

    Especially with out international scout team being as good as any, and that's digging up low or no bonus types. The big money teams are all going to be losing international bonus money soon and that is going to be a great advantage for teams like us and Tampa

    I could see our championship window staying open for years
     
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  2. Nook

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    Bregman has a lot of sneaky value that isn't immediately apparent. He walks as often as he strikes out and his trend now is to actually walk more than strikeout. He gets a lot of doubles, so his power is actually better than what his raw homerun numbers are. He can work deep into counts and get pitch counts up. Because of his well-rounded skill set, he can hit well anywhere in the order. He gets lots of sacrifice flies and is a good fielder that can position himself well.

    His skill set should age very well if he stays healthy. I think he learned his lesson on bulking up.
     
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    Astros are playing chess. Rest of the league playing checkers (and catch up).
     
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  4. Nook

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    He will adjust, he already has in some way. He is shrewd and will find untapped value and pursue that route.
     
  5. The Beard

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    True, but for some of these guys who grew up really poor

    They aren't worried about the status that comes with having the biggest deal ever

    Yordan knows that $110, 000, 000 is life changing, life sustaining money over the course of his entire lifetime.

    I remember Altuve talking about the fact that he isn't even sure if he would have ever been as good as he became without the early extension. It made him set for life and took away all the stress of what the future holds
     
  6. Mashing

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    I hope so. I don't want to lose our ability to be contenders every year because. I don't want him to start thinking he's the smartest man in the room. Arrogance does no one any favors.
     
  7. Nook

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    They WERE as good as any.

    The Astros have had a massive brain drain the last few years.

    Pete Putila is gone, and he played a massive part in both the draft and player development.

    The Astros have also lost their best international player evaluator and intermediary with the agents overseas in Oz Ocampo.

    The Astros have lost James Click, Scott Powers and a couple scouting advisors this year.

    In 2019 they lost Nolan Ryan (who was actively involved), Jeff Luhnow, Brian Taubman.

    So we don't know how good it is right now.
     
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    So you say he doesn't have "great range", has a "history of injuries", and "without great power", but you then turn around and say you would offer him "5/150"???

    Alright then......
     
  10. NIKEstrad

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    Correa will be the same age as Bogaerts at the end of their respective contracts (and in other words, the same age as Verlander on his current contract assuming it doesn't get renewed.

    I keep looking for examples of even soft landings after age 35 in in the last 10 or so years (call it the post crazy steroids era with Bonds and co.).

    + Ortiz was amazing till the end
    + A-Rod did ok but was busted for steroids.
    + Beltran looked washed at age 37, came back strong for 38-39, and then washed out at age 40
    + Todd Helton was a >.750 OPS guy for 1 of 4 post age 35 seasons -- after having 10 of 12 >.900 OPS seasons leading up to that
    + Pujols last season above .750 OPS was at age 35
    + Miggy Cabrera's last season hitting .750 OPS was age 36

    Those are some of the best, consistent hitters of the generation, and father time got pretty much everyone but Big Papi. Nelson Cruz was also in that camp till this year -- hopefully Jose Abreu looks more like them.

    It'll be curious to see how gracefully Bogaerts and Correa age. Trea Turner and Corey Seager too -- that's going to be a lot of ~38 year old former shortstops around around in 2030.
     
  11. Madmanmetz

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    Seems like he needs to find the next "Luhnow". They need to find a way to continue looking deeper than anyone else and find the competitive edge.
     
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  12. The Beard

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    This is why the GM hire is so important. Fans tend to focus way more on the Free Agent signings and Trade Market that is going on as we speak

    The Astros won the World Series this year because we found Framber, Javier, Garcia, Urquidy and it cost us basically nothing
     
  13. the shark

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    Bregman is a gold glove caliber 3B.
    "Doesn't have good range"????

    Can you please site some specific examples of plays he didn't make (when it counts the most....the playoffs) because I could provide a long list of INCREDIBLE plays he's made and again when it counted the most (playoffs).
     
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    Its easier (from a union standpoint) to show how some teams are just pocketing tons of revenue (via sharing and media deals) while investing less into the team vs. owners saying they're "losing money" due to out of control salaries.
     
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    A lot of talk about Leon, Lee, Diaz but what about Hensley? I feel like he already has good plate discipline and patience.
     
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    During the entire 8 year run, the Astros have really only paid maybe 2 or 3 guys the going market rate for s really desirable player. Reddick, Verlander, Abreu maybe I guess. All of the key components have been pre free agency or guys locked up prior to them getting to the point where they could really get that going rate.
    You don't want to be the Mets or Padres or Phillies who end up having several guys that you have to out pay e eryine to have them on the team.
    That is not a sustainable model.
    I think we all need to forget about Tucker staying or Framber for that matter. Just focus on the next wave that is going to fill in the gaps.
     
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  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The leverage they have is that are the only team that can negotiate with him over the next 2 years.
     
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    With Diaz gone, he’s the obvious choice for utility guy, not much question about that.
     
  19. panamamyers

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    Any chance Longoria could play some left field?
    He says he is willing to play for any contending team. Had one of the best average exit velocities of his career last year though now she 37 and been injured a lot the last two years.
    Could play first, third, DH and perhaps play some left field.
    Wonder how much he would sign for.
     
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  20. The Beard

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    True

    And reality is that having a salary floor will never be the goal for the players association

    I mean if they could get one without giving up other concessions, i'm sure they would be all in on it

    But forcing teams like Pittsburgh and all the others to spend up to a certain amount, even if you set it at $100 million and forced teams like Pittsburgh to add 50 million in payroll, that doesn't benefit the players anywhere near as much as allowing teams to give out these mega deals like we are seeing from the top teams

    The MLBPA will put out statements from time to time about helping out the younger players and so forth. But make no doubt, when the time comes for the veteran team reps to vote, the number 1 issue will always be to not cap teams ability to spend
     

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