KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Lol at ignoring Harden as a worse turnover guy yet complaining about KPJ!

hypocritical beings

harden had the most turnovers all time in a single season that is a fact

DD

 

The logic…

Player A shoots 1000 FTs and makes 80% totaling 800 made FTs
Player B shoots 900 FTs and makes 88% totaling 792 made FTs

Who is a better FT shooter?

The entire world : Player B because 88% is much more than 80%
KPJ fans : Player A because 800 is more than 792.

 

Harden was a scoring champ for multiple years and should have won more than one mvp, and then u have kpj.

U werent happy with harden's playstyle and now u are pleased when it for an inferior player imitating him? U are the hypocrite.

KPJ is no where near harden's level of creativity in passing/playmaking and court vision.

I don't think no one would complain if kpj can up his scoring efficiently to compensate his weakness at playmaking.

 

What are you talking about? All those years I listed are Harden.

I excluded 2 years of KPj prior to Rockets and Harden 8 seasons prior to
jumping to PG (listing)....in essence the year both Harden and KPj are listed
as PG's. Now all of you rejects want to ignore the 8 years in the league Harden
ran and how much more experienced he was vs the 2 years KPj was.

Harden was 8 years in the league with 5.7 turnovers per game.
When did KPj hit 8 years in the league.....duhhhhh

Lin and Beverly were listed as PG but Harden was running the show over those
two in year one. Not Prigioni, or Jason Terry or Shumpert. Forget about it.

You keep going with your gut feeling which is full of gas.

 

It’s truly wild man. Are they trolling? Or just don’t understand basic math? I mean it HAS to be one of those right?

 

No context for this fight and can't be bothered reading back. I do note however, that having drawn 100 more fouls is significant. Putting another team in foul trouble is a weapon.

 

Let me simplify it for you since you got confused:

Harden
Season....TOV.....TOV%
12/13........3.8........14.9
13/14........3.6........15.0
16/17........5.7.........19.5
20/21........4.3.........17.4
21/22........4.8.........19.8
21/22........3.4.........16.4

Those are all Harden numbers (none of these are KPj's)

And the last time I checked 19% was greater in mass than 17%.

And Harden numbers were as recent as last season......an experienced vet

 

You’re picking random seasons to make your fake argument sound better…why are you leaving out a bunch of seasons? Harden as a rocket turned the ball over less often tgen kpj as a rocket. Are you actually disputing that? Are you actually saying that in fact 15.6 is BIGGER then 17.7?

 

If you can score at the GOAT level, your turnovers or whatever weakness you have will be much more tolerable. How is that so hard to understand, regardless of whether Harden turns the ball over more or not?

It’s when you turn the ball over at a pretty high rate, but your other contributions can’t make up for it, it becomes an issue. For example, if KPJ was an elite defender like say Smart, I’m sure the criticism would be far less. But he’s not.

 

but kpj turns it over MORE then harden did, that's what makes it so wild when people try to dispute the numbers

 

My example had nothing really to do with actually drawing fouls and how that works into a game it was just supposed to represent two large samples where the lower % shooter had made more total because they took more shots. And why it would be pretty dumb to make the claim that the 80% shooter who made 800 is a more accurate FT shooter than the 88% shooter who made 792 because of the raw total rather than the percentage.

 

Harden is playing in his 14th season and is over 4 turnovers per game
in 8 of them.

You said you wanted KPj to be at Hardens level. Well KPj in 4 years
hasn't averaged over 4 turnovers per game once.

You are just a horse blinder wearing turkey

 

my god man......per game? i can't believe at this point you're clueless enough to STILL be using per game instead of per possession stuff like it's 1993

 

You are the clown that counts KPj second season of 26 games as a full season.

Then let's go career averages in turnovers

Harden 3.8
KPj 2.9

Shove it dude

 

But why does it matter? If KPJ can give me Harden’s offensive numbers, he can average 6 TOs a game for all I care, and still be my hero.

 

He is looking at career TOV% and it does favor Harden over KPJ.

The counting stats favor KPJ but Harden also played more minutes and had greater usage.

At any rate, given what Harden did with the ball I don't really see a comparison to KPJ.

 

Well in 4 year kpj has yet to average over 20 pts either much less 30 pts.

I don't give a fk if Harden turnovers is more, he's scores a sht on more. I take that over kpj anyday.

Old harden right now is still scoring more than kpj.

Folks liking bringing up Harden turnover but tend to ignore that Harden is a scoring machine.

 

This is truly wild. Harden for his career turns the ball over on 15.5% of his possessions are KPJ is at 17.6% of his possessions. You understand that you're completely wrong.....don't you?

 

counting stats are completely worthless, it doesn't "favor" one or the other because they mean nothing, that's not how the sport works

 

Seems very unlikely KPJ will be the offensive engine Harden was.