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[Official] Astros Off Season

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  1. IdStrosfan

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    I actually don't see his Ks as a big factor.

    He Ks 24% (23.6 vs RHP/25.1 vs LHP) of the time and MLB avg is 22.9%
    He walks 8.9% (10.0 vs RHP/4.7 vs LHP) and 8.8% is MLB avg.

    1.1% is less than 7 Ks per year below average. 1 every 25 games.

    If he sat 50% of the time vs LHP his numbers would look very good. LHP is his kryptonite.
     
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  2. CinematicFusion

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    Agree
     
  3. Nook

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    Everything is circumstantial.

    I asked someone with the Astros about all of it and they told me that if Click was the GM, the Astros would not have gone up to 3 years and 60 million as quickly as they did, and would have lost out on Abreu - but would have likely signed Bell for 2/35.

    So I think it is really a matter of perspective? To me, losing Click is fine if they make a good hire.... but they need to do it quickly.
     
  4. Wulaw Horn

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    So prices cooling off a bit? Only 3 years at 21 per seems reasonable to me for him.
     
  5. Rileydog

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    If we were to deal Abreu for Varsho, I would like to see Crane sign Taylor as a high leverage LHP in the pen. Hell I’d like to see that even if we didn’t deal Abreu.
     
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  6. Nook

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    His K rate in the big leagues is higher than in the minors if I remember right..
     
  7. Landry's Tooth

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    Fair deal for Varsho to me:

    Joe Perez
    Pedro Leon
    Spencer Arrighetti
    Jaime Melendez
     
  8. finsraider

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    Glad we passed on Murphy.

    Whatever the Astros end up doing, it’s not going to be an overpay. The only team we really need to concern ourselves with is the Yankees, and right now they’re the same team we swept.
     
  9. Nook

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    Different strokes for different folks, to me that is an overpay honestly.

    I can defend signing Verlander at 2/86 easier than Bassitt at 3/60.

    Is Bassitt even going to start in the playoffs?
     
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  10. IdStrosfan

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    I have only looked at his MLB numbers (which I have posted)

    If he did K less in minors maybe he can improve some, but I don't think 24% in 2022 MLB for a bottom 1/3 hitter is terrible.

    Context: Pena K'd 24.2% and Chas 26%
     
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  11. Major

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    Is there something wrong with William Contreras? I'm confused why the Braves would trade him + others to get Murphy?
     
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  12. Nook

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    It isn't terrible, I was just saying that is part of the reason that I think his OB% and BA are lower than in the minors. He is giving up a good 50 more outs on strikeouts, and that likely also impacts how he handles his two strike approach.

    It could be solvable, or it could be that with big league stuff he is guessing more and that isn't good long term either.

    At the end of the day, he is a very useful hitter but not sure his bat is good enough for the cost.

    Reminds me some of Jayson Heyward, sometimes WAR isn't entirely indicative of a player.
     
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    Abreu's name being tossed around in a trade? No ****ing way. Keep the pen tougher at all costs. To echo redfish, sign Vasquez, sign Conforto, Uncle Mike, Yuli, etc etc. and have a happy holidays.
     
  14. Nook

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    Wrong with him?

    That is relative.

    The complaints against him since his amateur days has been that he is more of a bat than a true catcher.

    So, with the Braves having seen him for three years, my guess is that they don't think he is a real solution behind the plate.

    If he is a DH his value goes down.

    For the Braves they get a guy in Murphy that hits FAR better on the road, is a GG fielder and works really well with pitchers.

    I compare it to trading a center that can score in the NBA but is a poor rebounder for one that can play both sides of the court.
     
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  15. Nook

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    I never say no to trading a reliever, but the return would have to be extremely high to do it.
     
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    For sure and I mostly said that cause nothing out there even blips on the radar - IMO
     
  17. IdStrosfan

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    Reasonable.

    We agree it all comes down to cost.

    Hopefully Strom really likes Paredes and some of the younger organizational guys like Tamaez and Melendez lol
     
  18. Nook

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    Astros are trying to wrap up Vazquez
     
  19. Wulaw Horn

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    For us? Depends upon LMJ and Brown but you could see him anywhere between 3 and 5 in our rotation. He’s better than Urquidy. He’s probably better than Garcia. He’s more proven than Brown (I’d bet on Brown but ymmv) and more durable than LMJ. mid he was your 3rd or 4th starter that’s fine.
    he’s been 15 or 20% better than league average for his career and he’s been between 15 and 80% better than league average the last 5 years.
    I like that deal as far as FA prices go.
     
  20. Wulaw Horn

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    If he catches 100 games and is our playoff guy I’m happy I guess. There’s no reason for any Astro Catcher to ever catch more than 100 regular season games.
     
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