Homeless: New York City Will Involuntarily Hospitalize Mentally Ill People

These always a good reason to do a bad thing

Rocket River

 

I read the NYT article on this and I think something like this is needed given the recent problems we've seen with sometimes violent mentally ill and homeless people. A lof the seemingly random attacks on elderly Asians appeared to have been carried out by people fitting that description. There are a lot of problems though implementing that including with the avialability of facilities and and rights. LEO are likely the ones to enforce this and as we've seen they aren't always the best dealing with these issues.

I'm going to hold off praising or condemning this plan until I see more. I give Adams credit for taking it on but like many things it's goign to come down to execution.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/30/nyregion/mental-health-plan-eric-adams.html

New York’s Plan to Address Crisis of Mentally Ill Faces High Hurdles
Many city residents agree something needs to be done to remove people with severe mental illness from public places. But some experts say the mayor’s aggressive new approach may not help.

But on Wednesday, a day after Mayor Eric Adams announced an aggressive plan to involuntarily hospitalize people deemed too ill to care for themselves, experts in mental illness, homelessness and policing expressed skepticism that the plan could effectively solve a crisis that has confounded city leaders for decades.

Mr. Adams said he was instructing police officers and other city workers to take people to hospitals who were a danger to themselves, even if they posed no risk of harm to others, putting the city at the center of a national debate over how to care for people with severe mental illness.

Mental health experts and elected officials applauded the mayor’s attention to the issue, but also raised questions about how his plan would be implemented, how many people might be affected and whether police officers should be involved.

Steven Banks, the former social services commissioner under Mr. Adams’s predecessor, Bill de Blasio, suggested that the solutions to the current crisis lay beyond Mr. Adams’s plan.

“Homelessness is driven by the gap between rents and income and the lack of affordable housing, and mental health challenges for both housed and unhoused people are driven by the lack of enough community-based mental health services,” he said in a statement.

He added that the city, state and federal governments all “need to do more to address these interrelated crises in order for New Yorkers to see a difference on the streets, on public transportation, and in the shelter census.”

The mayor’s plan comes at the end of a year in which random attacks in the subways and streets, many of them attributed to homeless people with mental illness, have put many New Yorkers on edge. Mr. Adams and Gov. Kathy Hochul have both rolled out numerous programs to address the issue, including adding outreach teams and clearing encampments, to try to convince people to move to shelters.

Mr. Adams has said that people with mental illness were largely responsible for an increase in crime in the subway, though most crimes overall are not committed by people who are unhoused or mentally ill, and most mentally ill or homeless people are not violent.
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Mr. Adams has acknowledged that New York did not have enough psychiatric beds to accommodate everyone, and said the city would start training police officers about responding with compassion.
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Experts say the best place to put someone with severe mental illness after they leave a hospital is usually in supportive housing, which comes with on-site social services, and has the best track record for keeping people stable over the long haul. But though the city and state are accelerating plans to create more supportive housing, it is in such short supply that four of five qualified applicants are turned away.

Simply finding providers of outpatient psychiatric care, essential to breaking the cycle of hospitalization and jail that so many people with mental illness wind up in, is difficult.

“Outpatient clinics are booked for months out, if they even are taking referrals,” said Bridgette Callaghan, who runs teams of field clinicians that treat the most severely mentally ill people in streets and shelters for the Institute for Community Living under a city program called Intensive Mobile Treatment.
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Mental health advocates have said the plan infringes on people’s rights. They argue that police officers should not be responsible for deciding who should be transported to hospitals.

More at link.

 

I think cities should just send homeless people back to the rural areas they came from on buses on one way tickets.

The good people in the country can take care of them with Church donations and religion.

 

lotta people hoping this applies to Kanye this morning

 

They need to. Years ago you could have someone committed indefinitely. But liberals saw that as cruel and unusual punishment to commit someone for any real length of time when they haven't done a crime. So they released them and shut down the asylums. That's when homeless issues took off - well that and drug use intensified. I personally think it's more cruel to sentence someone to be homeless than take care of them in a facility.

 

LOL - I was going to say something about him in my post above but opted not to. He's definitely not only completely off the rails, but the wheels are completely off the train - and yet it keeps moving...

 

It's not just liberals many conservatives have argued against having the state involuntarily confine or otherwise strip rights from people without due proces. We see a related issue with consvative opposition to Red Flag laws regarding taking people with mental health issues firearms away from them.

 

When you go that far off the rails, I don't think you can believe anything he says even if it's somewhat believable.

 

Yeah that's not right either. Sorry but there are times where you lose your rights permanently. And like I think you should be put on the no fly list if you act up on a plan. You've been demoted to Greyhound permanently.

 

The problem is . . . for people with power, authority and or money
It's too easy to pervert the system in their favor

Dude always out side my shop door hassling the customers .. instead of having the cops shoo him away .. . have him declared insane

Rocket River

 

Is this how they finally lock Trump up?

 

Even The Mentally Ill Have Rights

https://blog.simplejustice.us/2022/12/01/even-the-mentally-ill-have-rights/

 

I thought the mental health cuts were a result of Reagan tax cuts? Either way, there are some people that should be evaluated for mental health issues.

 

Apparently…. We are letting one of them run for the Senate in Georgia.