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  1. munco

    munco Member

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    fisher should not be the obvious choice. the consensus on the boards is that he shouldn't be who we pick up.

    he's never been above an average player. he was horrible last year. how can a guy that plays with kobe and shaq shoot 35% and 29% from three last year. on top of that his best attribute, defense, seems to have gone out the window. he got lit up night in and night out throughout the playoffs. i think a lot of you guys haven't really payed attention to him play. he's hit clutch shots but if you really watched fisher player last year you'll see that he's average to below average in just about every facet of the game. what's he good at? not shooting anymore. not defense anymore. those were the two things he was pretty good at and he's not even good at those anymore;.
     
  2. Blatz

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    I know your kidding but I think it's a sticky because it is starting to look like Daniels was the number one target from the start.

    First we heard the rumor of a trade for Barry using the TE and a #1 draft pick. Then shortly after that was the Rocky Mountain News saying the Rockets offered Barry the MLE, which a few other papers "quoted". Then when Barry signs with the Spurs ESPN says the Rockets were in trade talks with the Sonic for Daniels and that losing Barry might end the discussions. Now we have an article stating that Fisher is talking with Seattle which would open the door to trade Daniels and we now have word that the Rockets will probably make a trade rather than a FA signing.

    Maybe I'm reading to much in to everything. :)
     
  3. WoodlandsBoy

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    Mo Taylor cost us game one of the Lakers series when he missed a layup with 14sec to play. He has cost us numerous games during the season.

    If you look at 82games.com you will see that the difference from being a winning team and a losing team was Mo Taylor. Since he had big minutes he was the biggest reason for our losses.

    Stat
    ON Court | OFF Court | Net

    Minutes
    2071 | 1896 | 52%

    Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.
    101.4 | 105.7 | -4.3

    Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.
    103.2 | 100.4 | +2.8

    WHen he was in a game we scored 4 less points per 100 possesions.

    When he as in the game we allowed 3 more points per 100 possesion.

    We went from a team with a healthy winning margin during the times he wasn't on the court to a team that goes to the lottery.

    I think the BBS members know this and want him gone.
     
  4. snowmt01

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    That's unfair for Mo. He usually led our second unit, which is
    nothing spectacular.
     
  5. Drexlerfan22

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    The anger is building.... watch that ax!
     
  6. sadcat

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    MAN why do u expect we have a better stats with Mo Taylor on court? Remember, when u sub him in, you have to take Yao out on bench for a breath-er..

    Mo is the back-up center, it's not like he's better than Yao, so we shouldn't expect much. Right?
     
  7. mrgoubople1

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    Since the clippers need some more caproom and we want AD...

    Houston Trades: Mo Taylor + Top 20 protected 1st round pick, Future 2nd round pick

    Houston receives: Antonio Daniels
    Jerome James
    Melvin Ely

    Seattle Trades: Jerome James + Antonio Daniels
    Seattle Recieves: Mo Taylor + 1st round pick from houston

    L.A. Clippers trades: PF Melvin Ely
    2nd Round Pick

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Why?

    Houston: We give up a first rounder + 2nd rounder, and Mo's bad contract. And fix depth problems at Center (James could be just as good as Cato) ,PG, And after gettting rid of Mo, we get a a young Pf who can play center .

    Seattle: Trades Daniels which they are already willing to do, and get rid of a bad contract, plus pick up Mo, who can score but is a bad contract as well. If they were looking to do a trade anyways, why not pickup Mo, and a 1st rounder rather than a trade exception that wouldnt put them under the cap.

    LA: they need caproom for kobe, so they giveup Ely who has less potential than wilcox, and get a 2nd rounder, plus caproom to sign Kobe.
     
  8. sadcat

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    besides, he's a natural PF not a C, it's hard for him to play C..
    Mo is a good player, i liked his game.
     
  9. JayZ750

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    Partially true. Yes, he often led our second unit, but theoretically he was going up against the opposing team's second unit. While you can't look at these kinds of stats in a vacuum, they do have some meaning, imo - at the end of the day if your a player or fan you'd want that difference to be in your favor, no?
     
  10. Pat

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    Nothing personal, but I stopped right there. MoT came from the Clippers where he burned his bridges before leaving. I don't see him going back there or them accepting him.
     
  11. WoodlandsBoy

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    That is true but there are pleny of backups that have huge impacts in the +/- category. Here is a couple

    Brian Cardinal
    Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
    Minutes 1631 2332 41%
    Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 110.3 101.6 +8.6
    Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 106.2 105.5 +0.7

    Bo Outlaw
    Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
    Minutes 1611 2350 40%
    Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 103.1 109.4 -6.3
    Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 97.2 108.7 -11.5
    Net Points per 100 Possessions +5.9 +0.7 +5.2

    Each of these player helped their teams to the tune of 5 - 10 pts per 100 possesions.

    There are tons of examples like these.

    Plus I was just trying to answer the question why no one likes Mo?

    We understand that he is a big reason we lose games and we have to play him since he does make shots and eats up 10 mil a year.
     
  12. WoodlandsBoy

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    He suggested trading Mo to the Sonics not the Clippers. So read on.
     
  13. sadcat

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    Where's that Bud-light theme song?

    Today we solute you, Mr. .....
     
  14. WoodlandsBoy

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    Backup Center guy....With those lousey +/- stats...
     
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    hahahahah

    very nice
     
  17. Hard Rock

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    wow! do you know anything about the business? maybe we should sign Nash and then trade him to Phoenix for Amare & Johnson maybe? you can only sign & trade your own FA, please.
     
  18. Der Rabbi

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    I've seen him play plenty. He's a freak of an athlete, great finisher. Very good tenacious defender. He's actually more of a 2 than a 1, considering his finishing skills (decent catch & shot, quick to the basket w/great ups). You used to be out of control, but playing under the Spurs system all those years calmed him down. His asst/to ratio is good b/c he makes the right/easy pass, not b/c he is a great passer. With McGrady initiating the perimeter half court offense & Yao the interior half court offense, he should compliment them both well.
     
  19. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I agree, MoT is as gifted offensively as any power foward in the league besides Duncan and Garnett. His weakness is rebounding and perimeter defense. He has very short arms and doesn't bang very well and he doesn't close in on his man when they take jumpers. If he had the ability to bang, he would be a max player.
     
  20. sadcat

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    if we have a real back up Center
    and run MoT to his natural PF position he would do much better
     

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