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Sportsradio 610 Matt Jackson confirms Daniels Speculation

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thacabbage, Jul 13, 2004.

  1. RIET

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    I don't buy that BS at all. The Rockets couldve signed Jim Jackson in lieu of Eric Piatkowski. They play the same position.

    Every decision CD makes is because of a previous f***k*p.

    They got Yao Ming because the cycle of f***k*ps was complete and they lucked their way into the 1st pick.

    Thank god McGrady chose Houston and Francis/Van Gundy didn't have the right chemistry.
     
  2. sup123

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    as posted above i wasnt gonna yell intill later but i just relize we are bascially giving up 2 number on picks. Typical CD.
     
  3. Drexlerfan22

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    I disagree. We would've wanted to sign Pike whether or not we signed Jackson. It's easy to say we could've signed JJ "in lieu of Piatkowski" now because Pike had a terrible season, but there's no way we weren't gonna sign the guy. There's also no way we were gonna pay the luxury tax, and on top of that JJ may not have signed for so little if we hadn't waited so long. I think The Cat's right on here.
     
  4. RIET

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    Why? And please don't give me that 20/20 hindsight crap. When we signed Piatkowski, I posted here saying what a ridiculous maneuver it was to sign a lifetime part-time player to a 3 year $8 million contract at 32 when he made the same or less $$ with the freakin Clippers.

    You can't play 30 minutes for the worst franchise in the league and we want to lock him up for 3 years? We couldve signed Voshon Leonard, Dell Curry, Jon Barry, or even Steve Kerr just to stand there and shoot 3's.
     
  5. Raven

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    What Riet said.
     
  6. xiki

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    And you call CD dumb?
     
  7. xiki

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    If Daniels can be an unrestricted free agent with no Bird rights after the upcoming season then Rox could lose him, or pay insane amounts for him.
     
  8. sadcat

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    Why would Sonics trade the #1 Ass/TO in the league?

    They r going to lose barry, i don't think Sonics GM is that dumb..
     
  9. Cohen

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    :rolleyes:


    sheesh.
     
  10. lost_elephant

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    you just can't use stats to evaluate a player :D
     
  11. Deckard

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    My bad! I posted it in the other thread about the possible deal. Here's what was there, anyway.

    Vitaly Potapenko ...... signed 7/26/96, 3/13/99 3+6 $3,686,000+$33mill p-opt '04
    http://www.dfw.net/~patricia/contracts
     
  12. codell

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    We weren't looking to sign 2 guards (which all those guys are). They wanted Pike because of his ability to play the 3 and for his post entry passing.

    You can't compare guys like that when they don't even fit what we were looking for.
     
  13. RIET

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    Pike would never have been an effective starting 3. His defense was hellacious and he was a tweener SG/SF. That's why we signed Adrian Griffin as insurance.

    The primary reason we signed him was his forte - 3 point shooting.

    Of course none of that worked out.
     
  14. Drexlerfan22

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    Okay, so it didn't have to be Pike. So what? It was pretty clear we were going to sign a shooter, any shooter, and I really doubt Barry or Lenard would've agreed to much less than what Pike agreed to. And if we signed that shooter, we would not have had enough to sign JJ without hitting luxury tax territory. Hence the Glen Rice deal.

    I DID NOT say it was a good idea to sign Pike (or any other shooter) to that contract (which seems to be what you think I said), I said it was going to happen. Big difference. Just to be clear, when I said "we would've wanted to sign Pike," the "we" is the Rockets organization, not this BBS or me.
     
  15. sadcat

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    Yeah anybody's ATR will be better than Stevie Francis...

    A. Daniels is fine...
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Didn't you say that we should have signed JJ to only one year? That would have been a disaster.
     
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    I'm all for throwing in a #1 pick. What do we need with first round picks right now? We're trying to build an upper tier Western Conference team!
     
  18. Kickingback

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    I don't understand why everyone wants Daniels. Look at his career stats. He avgs 7.3 points a game and avgs 3.8 assists. Is that what we come too. Trading the T/E, and a first round for this kind of production. And besides I havn't heard of him and any defense of the year awards. He is a avg guard. Does this team do what the astros did throw all they have into one year to try and win this year. Or play it smart save the first round pick and possible find a better guard later. Don't get desperate now because we need a guard. I say this year just find one that is cheap that can throw the ball to Yao over the top and make of couple of shots and see how far we go. Don't sell the whole house this year.
     
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    How mant Sam Cassells fall that far in the draft? At some point you have to stop worrying about first round picks and build a winner. Do you think the Lakers or Mavs or Kings would kill a deal to get someone to get them over the hump or fill a need on the off chance they MIGHT get a steal late in the first round? There have been so many steals in the 2nd round it isn't even funny, so why not try and get someone in the 2nd round? Heck, Daniels is no more average then Fisher, and Daniels has championship experience.
     
  20. Pat

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    Going back to the value of a late first round pick. Roughly 1/3 turn into pro players. Remember that the other 2/3 get 3 year guaranteed contracts and take up roster room. You only get 12 roster slots. If you have three poor picks, you only get nine players to use. I'll admit that the end of the bench is not a critical spot, but keep it in mind.
     

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