[Developing] Nancy Pelosi's husband violently beaten with hammer

Turning a blind eye on those who hold power and influence over others isn't what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek or "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

 

Should one strive to be more Christ-like or less?

Jesus, Friend of Sinners: But How? (thegospelcoalition.org)

 

I totally agree that regardless of what people think about religion, folks should try to emulate Jesus.

That being said, you implied that Trump was being Christ like by sitting with sinners. Using that logic, Kanye and Fuentes were also being Christ like by sitting down with Trump.

I surely would really appreciate it if Trump attempted to emulate Christ, but his public persona is far from that

 

if thats the case then trump is even stupider than we already thought he was. by courting antisemites trump is probably losing more votes than he is gaining them. racist scumbags were already voting for him...all he is doing now is pushing people away from him.

bad strategy.

and i think its troubling that you are justifying trump cozying up with antisemites and holocaust deniers by saying "every vote counts". like i said, its bad strategy, but its also just really f***ed up.

 

Jesus would support open borders aqd helping refuges and immigrants.
Jesus would support love between any 2 people regardless of sexual orientation.
Jesus would support education and free healthcare.

Do you support those things? Yes we should all be more Christ like and support those things above.

 

You understand that impersonal charity donations isn't an example of trying to help centers.

 

this is pretty much an open and shut. Right extremist dude gets influenced by conservatives media that he views Pelosi as the bogeyman, and decides to take action by inflicting physical violence, fails and gets captured by the law.

This was a political influenced attack, not some rando hobo attack u read on the news in New York.

how we continue to stretch this to 89 pages and counting is astounding.

 

You tried to deflect, but you actually just invoked Christ as an example when it just illuminates the fact of intent of Christ vs the intent of Trump.... which you yourself said "he's just courting votes."

The fact is dining with white supremacists to court their vote is not a sin that cannot be shielded from criticism. Especially when THE BIBLE ITSELF used an entire premise of the final chapter to warn against this type of behavior from world leaders who then and in the future will use claims of divine intervention ("I am the chosen one") in order to seize power.

As Christians you are supposed to be able to say.... "yeah... that's wrong." Without someone like you saying "Now Now... we are all sinners, blah blah."

Don't give me that crap. It is wrong for Trump to claim divine intervention and not put a stop to the Qanon theories that preach him as a messiah figure just as it would if Obama was doing it, or when Putin does it in his pre-invasion speech of Ukraine, or when Napoleon did it... and back in John's day when Nero did it.

it is wrong, and we should be able to call it out without righteous hypocrites excusing and deflecting.

And yeah... dining with Nazis in order to court votes to win power... yeah.... also bad.

Just stop please, and if you are a Christian you need to seriously spend more time going back to the word of God instead of listening to how Pat Robertson or FoxNews interprets what it says in order to fit a political narrative.

 

dude's not right

 

Not only do not all politicians stoop to dining with antisemitic Holocaust deniers for votes, they don't court or refuse to denounce white supremacists. But the person Republicans chose as their president refused to denounce supporters of his that were shown with white power signs. In fact he published it on his social media at the time.

 

Carry on.

I don't choose to live by viewing everything through a sharp political lens that condemns. I think there is a place for more grace than you guys seem to be willing to extend. Not everything is a hanging offense!

The world is not just black and white. It's a continuum of gray with bands of black and white at either end, I think.

I have no idea what Trump's motive was in choosing these dining partners and neither do you. You'll probably continue to have fun with it but I'm bored.

 

Look buddy, you cannot get more Christ-like than Donald John Trump. He had protesters tear gassed just so he could get to a church!

 

Which is the long way of saying “I shouldn’t have invoked Christ”.

 

it takes a "sharp political lens" to condemn antisemites and holocaust deniers?

what does that even mean in the context of trump inviting antisemites and holocaust deniers to his house for dinner? you want to extend grace to those kinds of people? thats very telling.

nobody said it was. but since you brought it up, we do have election denying trumpers calling for capital punishment to be imposed on election officials in arizona this week.

not when it comes to antisemites, holocaust deniers and white nationalists. its very telling that you think this.

 

Here's the thing. Holocaust denieing anti-Semites don't have to be never given a chance for redemption. But it is wise, helpful, and just to not appease and appeal to them unless they change those positions.

I absolutely do have an idea what Trump's motive was in choosing who to dine with. It was the same the one he had when he posted a video of his supporters with a 'White Power' sign and refused to denounce those supporters. It is the same motive that has appealed to all sorts of anti-Semites and racists.

It would also be very easy for him or other Republicans to shed that motive.

All they have to do is make a statement similar to this, "We don't support racism or antisemitism. If you are married to those ideals, you should find a different party and candidate to support."

That is all it would take. Well actually a consistent message like that would probably be required at this point.

But here's the thing. Not all Republicans belive in racism and antisemitism. But they aren't against enough to make the above statement. They tolerate it, and that is a legitimate problem.

 

This just isn't true. Republicans denounce racism all the time. It does nothing. Sometimes in the very speech where they denounce racism, they get accused of promoting racism. Trumps "Very fine people" speech is a perfect example. He said neo-Nazis and white supremacists should be denounced totally. His speech was then deceptively edited to make people think he was saying neo-Nazis are very fine people. If the President of the United States repeatedly denouncing racism doesn't work, why would you think some Senator or Representative doing it will count for anything?

 

It isn't that they don't denounce it in a general lip service way. They don't denounce specific instances and state that those views have no place in their party.

The "Very fine people speech is a perfect example." The completely unedited speech still makes excuses. Yes, it also pays lip service. But it equates both sides. Both sides there weren't equivalent. "Very fine" people who want to preserve a statue and were somehow ignorant of the antisemitic roots of the event's organizers, would still have left or not been a part of it when the antisemitic chants started. Trump's very inclusion of "very fine people" lessened and excused the folks who were there.

The fact that people think that the unedited Trump speech was okay or appropriate is part of the problem.

Trump put out in his own social media video of a Trump supporter shouting "White Power" and called them great people.

Trump tries to have plausible deniability. He doesn't make a clear statement saying he doesn't want the support of hate groups or that ideology.

 

I’ve just skimmed the last two pages of this thread and claiming Trump is Christ like isn’t just a derail it’s a train jumping the tracks hitting an iceberg and sinking in the North Atlantic.

 

And when Trump was asked specifically to condemn white supremacists in the first 2020 debate he told the Proud boys to “Stand back and Stand by”.

There was no editing there.

This again shows the lengths they many who even while they say they dont support Trump will still find ways to defend himz

 

Did you watch the video? He literally said exactly what you said needed to be said, almost word for word, specifically saying he doesn't want the votes of white supremacists (time stamp 1:40, 3:40, 4:13). He specifically said that hatred, bigotry, and violence have no place in America (again, not in a general way but in the specific instance of Charlottesville, time stamp 4:45). He denounced the specific instances of being endorsed by David Duke 10 different times. Trump sucks and was a joke of a nominee that only became president because the Democrats ran one of the most hated people in America against him, and even he has repeated done exactly what you are saying needs to be done.

Yes, it is hilarious that even people that think Trump is terrible (because he is not a good president, because he is a hypocrite and a narcissist that cares about himself over public service, because his policy positions are for more government, for authoritarianism, and against liberty) can recognize that his problem isn't racism or support of racism. One of the things Trump pushed for was criminal justice reform, a policy that specifically targeted for relief people that were imprisoned for crack cocaine (which has previously been cited as a racist law because of the disparity in sentencing vs. powder cocaine). I want people to go after Trump for his absolutely terrible failings as a politician (for example, total disregard of due process when he said you take the firearms first, then you go to court), not easily refuted claims of white supremacy, because I don't want him nominated again. It isn't that people who disagree with these nonsense claims support Trump (although obviously he has his fans), it is that they oppose him for much different reasons than you do.