Jalen Green acrobatic layup kiss off the glass! He looks like a superstar!

Also, the "b****ing" between fans is mostly just people attacking fans who like Sengun.

The frustration of those who see Sengun's potential is with the coach, not with other fans.

The frustration and aggression of those who for whatever inexplicable reason don't like Sengun is directed towards those who say Sengun should get more opportunities.

So yeah, the hostility originates from the Sengun haters, not the other way around.

 

Well I doubt you get any argument from anyone outside of Nix family at the moment.

DD

 

Sengun can get up, his vertical is actually well above average. He just doesn’t get up as quickly as others can.

 

Sengun fans like saying matter of fact statements like he's the best player. Using advanced metrics to compare young guards to young bigs is foolish. Almost every star to superstar guard at 19 had shitty advanced metrics. They have more responsibilities to pick up such as handling full court presses, breaking down defenses at multiple levels etc.

Do you see threads spammed to death saying "Jalen Green is our best player"? Even though he's leading our team in ppg on good efficiency?

 

If Jalen Green continues to create for others and control the ball the way he has recently, he has a chance to be a top 10 player in the league and possibly top 5.

 

Green making great strides.

 

If you watch you would know that Green is creating off an initial pass from KPJ or Sengun, that Green is moving off the ball gathering the pass in a triple threat position then drawing the defense and laying it off. this is great TEAM basketball.

DD

 

Not really. Most of his assists come from being a pnr ball handler. Ask Sengun. Probably gets most of his buckets at least in the past few weeks from Green being the pnr dribbler.

It's okay if you acknowledge his improvement in handling, screen manipulation with a live dribble, better reads and his passing accuracy.

 

Sorry @don grahamleone, I tried to let it go, but this is just nonsense. Yes there have been people who have been unfairly critical of Sengun, but only Sengun fans have...

1. Created a thread (followed by post after post) proclaiming that he is the best player on the Rockets
2. Blame weaknesses in his game on his teammates
3. Have stated their desire to see Sengun traded
4. Attacked posters, players, coaches, and the organization calling them racists

With the exception of the last one there is nothing inherently wrong with any of the above, but there is no way that you can say that those are things typical of what someone who is a ROCKETS FAN would do or say. They are things that people who are fans of Alperen have said and done because they could care less about the Rockets, this site, or the people who post here. There is nothing wrong with having a favorite player, but you don't have to be as obnoxious as some of the Sengun fans have been.

P.S. Notice how even after your "innocent" comment you continued to talk about Sengun (even posting a video) when the OP created two separate threads highlighting both Alpi and Senguns exceptional plays. You just can't help yourself.

 

Love the PNR between him and the bigs, seems to have a pretty decent success rate and you're right he has gotten better in his actions off the screen (changing pace, better angles, etc).

Needs to continue to work on ball security though, I still wince a bit when he is pressured in open court. He had one really bad TO dribbling directly into a defender in the open court last night. I know he will clean it up, especially if he continues to improve at this current rate.

 

He gets an initial pass setting up the PnR - on some of them true, but he is growing by getting the ball on the move and moving it on.....I like it.

When he tries to dribble it up and is pressured he turns it over.

DD

 

Not really. Again most of his assists aren't connective assists. They are the assists of him initiating a pnr as the ball handler. Do you mean Green doesn't walk the ball up the court? Sure in many of the pnr sets KOJ gives it to Green off a curl action and then Green initiates the pnr as the primary ball handler with one of the bigs, mostly Sengun.

Ya his turnovers did go up and that's because he's doing more on ball playmaking than his rookie year and the first few weeks of his sophomore season.

 

3) and 4) was basically one or two posters only. As you say, there is nothing wrong with any of the other stuff, yet, you are incredibly triggered by it. I certainly never asked for Sengun to be traded, nor did I call anyone racist.

Yet, any praise for Sengun triggers you and you become hostile. You just cannot help yourself.

Matter of fact, you barely posted all these years and now, almost all your posts are about attacking Sengun and gis supporters.

You and posters like you are the problem.

 

Yeah, I'm done. This has devolved into an I'm rubber your glue conversation with you just repeating things I've said. No need for a response unless you can prove the statements you make. I'm calling you out because the hyperbolic statements made by you and posters like you need to stop. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt before but now I'm straight up calling you a liar and below is the proof.

- Any praise, really. That's odd considering I've praised Sengun myself on a number of occassions. So I'm triggering myself... you sound silly. Hyperbole.... look it up as you obviously have no idea what it is.

- I think you know that this is a lie, but it is an example of another hyperbolic statement by you. You're right I don't post that often, so it should be easy for you to do a simple count of my posts to see if the majority of my posts are attacks on Sengun supporters. I know the answer and so do you but hey I challenge you to prove your point or admit that this is a lie.

- I think it's clear to any objective poster that you are the problem. I just want to enjoy talking Rockets every now and then without the vitriol or agendas. I think Alperen is great, you and your friends have the Sengun hype covered, but can we have one or two conversations about other players every now an again?

 

I find it hypocritical for u to call out Sengun only fans when KPJ only fans are guilty of at least doing the exact same sht (1/2)

there is no way that you can say that those are things typical of what someone who is a ROCKETS FAN would do or say

Vets like double D, booby have repeatedly proclaim KPJ as the best last season and this season, blame weakness in his game on green and their teammates.

Like how oblivious are u.


Sure some sengun only fans take it too far with the accusation of racism and wanting sengun to b traded, but actin like how there's only wild Sengun only fans is just pure nonsense. No ones gonna take u seriously with your one sided bias bashing.

 

Truth hurts huh?
Try whinging more.

Or dickride harder, lol.

 

There have been some KPJ fans who've gone a bit overboard as well, but I'm pretty sure (at least what I've read) was in the Alperen is our best player thread in response other posters, pretty much sniping at each other. Could be wrong, haven't read every thread here.

I do recall some noise last season with people chiming in that Wood or E.G. were better than KPJ and vice versa. Fair debates, but thought it was silly then and still think it's silly. What I can tell you is I've never had a KPJ fan call me or the NBA racist. I don't care if it was one, two, or 2 million. One is enough and not only did some let it pass, a few people actually chimed in or liked the posts.

So not oblivious I just see an obvious difference in the tone and content of the KPJ fans

Also, a key word you mentioned is "Vets", some of the people you named have been here for awhile, and though I haven't always agreed with their takes (believe me and DD were on opposing sides of some topic back in the day) I know that they bleed Rockets Red. No one would suffer through some the ups and downs if they weren't true fans of the team.

BTW... What biased bashing. Have I said anything about what some Sengun fans have said that wasn't true. A KPJ fan didn't come into this thread and post, this conversation started because a Sengun fan did.

 

Doet is stout. Makes sense he’d fair better against another stout player versus a nimble one.

 

I do watch and no, having a pedestrian pass from Porter and then Green creating doesn’t mean Porter deserves credit, anyone in the league can do that. It is creating that is important and rare.

Sengun is a good passer, especially for an inside player but he shouldn’t be the primary creator either - it should be Jalen Green.

 

KPJ’s job should just be to dribble up the court and give the ball to Sengun or Green and then look to get open or find a cutting lane. At this point, any time he doesn’t do that I am expecting a TO or bad shot from him. That said, I would love a coach that would run off ball screen actions for KPJ. I think he would be really devastating in that type of role.