I heard on ESPN (Mike and Mike) this morning that the Dallas Mavericks were trying to work out a sign and trade for Eric Dampier or a trade for Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Aside from the fact that the Mav’s are trying to get a big man for their 5 spot it also tells me that the Cav’s might be trying to creat cap room to match Utah’s offer sheet to Carlos Boozer. Why else would the Cav’s be entertaining the notion of trading Biz Z? How does this affect the Rockets? The Rockets could be a 3rd party to a trade that would assist the Cav’s in freeing up almost 7 million dollars. The Mav’s don’t have the ability to give the Cav’s cap room but the Rockets do. Could a 3 way trade be in the works?
The Cavs can't trade Z to create cap space unless they are trading with Atlanta, Denver or Charlotte, who are the only three teams left with enough cap space to swallow Z's salary without giving equal salary back. If a S&T with Dallas for Dampier occurs, the Cavs would have to take Dampier's salary, and that won't do them any good in the cap clearing department. I think the Cavs are trading Z so they can somehow fill the hole left by Boozer at the 4 spot. In the NY Daily News, reports are saying the Cavs are trying to trade Z for Kurt Thomas and/or Mutombo to fill their need at the 4 spot. BTW, I doubt this thread should be in the GARM forum. But the judgement should be done from the crew only.
I don't think the Cavs would do that though. First of all, their relationship with Boozer is as bad as it gets, and their fans want to burn him alive. It would be a terrible PR move for them to make by trading away guys like Wagner or Battie, who are supposely good guys and didn't do anything wrong, in order to keep Boozer, whom they believe are a double-crosser, a back-stabber and a @#$%^&*er(whatever that is). Secondly, giving up Battie and Wagner will also seriously injure their rebuilding process. Less so than losing Boozer, but still pretty serious. Third of all, from our stand point, this move will greatly damange our relationship with the Jazz franchise. I know I know, we are supposed to hate them. However, our front office won't do this just because the fans hate them. Remember our Glen Rice deal with them last year? There might be more deals like this happen in the future, and the teams prefer to have good relationships with each other, so future businesses can be carried along. Therefore, I don't think they will trade with our TE to clear up cap space.
The Cav's would have to move players and get nothing in return to get a player that they would like have to trade. Boozer is a good player, but with that new contract, there might not be that many takers. And what they may get in return would probably be of lesser quality and value. Boozer is going to the Jazz.
I just took a quick look the the rosters of Dallas and Cleveland. I don't see any possible trade that would make sense for anyone but Dallas. Z makes 14.6 mil. In order for a trade to take place with Dallas they need to include contracts that total 7.7 + 6.9 trade exception from Houston. Laetner and Stackhouse can't be traded until Aug 28th. That leaves Wahad, Najera, Fortson, and Bradley. I wouldn't want to give up the trade exception for a mix of any of those guys.
DeAleck, The Mavs, Rockets and Cavs could enter into a 3 way trade. If in fact the Mavs and Cavs are in discussions then there is going to be a 3rd team in the mix. Why else would the Cavs part with BigZ except to clear cap room for Boozer.
you can't use multiple players for the TE in a sign and trade anyway ... If CLE is actually trying to create cap room, to sign Boozer, which I doubt, unless they have a sign and trade deal lined up with someone else, then the value of moving Z is getting the 15% diffference in the trade, and gaining a younger player for rebuilding. That would give them a 2.19 mil TE. If they traded a couple players to us for our TE of 6.9 mil, then took their existing cap space of between 2 to 4 mil, depending on what the cap ends up at, then renounced their TEs, then they could have 11-13 mil of cap space to engineer a sign and trade. I don't see CLE keeping Boozer. They have murdered him in the press, which is not what you do, if you plan on retaining someone's services. It's what you do, when you want your fans to support you letting someone go, or doing a sign and trade. CLE would have to find someone else who would want Boozer's ridiculously front loaded contract offer. From various accounts, he's supposed to get 15 million in the first year, with signing bonuses. Only 10 mil or so counts against the cap, but there might be teams who would be willing to do that, to get Boozer. CLE has to look at whoever someone would be willing to trade them, being worth, basically, getting rid of Z, Wagner and either Battie and/or Diop, and getting Dampier back at a max contract. Boozer is gone. They've lost his value. Now they have to figure out how to continue rebuilding their team. Can they get better parts for Z, Battie, Wagner and/or Diop? If Boozer brings in someone better than any or all of those parts, then yes, they might do that, and Houston could be a part of that equation, as could ATL, DEN, PHO, LAC, CHA and anyone else still under the cap. I don't think they'll just hand us a player, since there will be competition. Whoever makes the best offer will win. Of course, AElliot, Gater, and NIKEstrad are FAR more expert at this than I. I am only repeating what I've understood they've said in the past. Perhaps they can shed some light on this.
I don't think the Cavs would want to send anyone but Z. It is my understanding that the signing bonus can not be combined with a player salery to get back a player with a bigger salery but that we can break the TE up on multiple players. Something like this is what I had in mind: Z to Dallas Wahad plus a Houston draft pick to Cle Najara, Delk and Josh Howard to Houston It was my understanding that the Cavs only needed about 7 mil in cap space to sign Boozer. I am not sure on this but I thought that was what I heard on the radio. I guess what it boils down to is would the Cav's rather have Z or Boozer?
Here is an article. It mentions the Rockets at the bottom. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=12304766&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21848&rfi=6 Boozer or Z? Cavaliers must decide Bob Finnan, Staff Writer 07/12/2004 If Ilgauskas will be with Cleveland for the long term, Boozer is likely on his way to Utah This much is known about the Carlos Boozer ordeal in Cleveland: He is expected to sign an offer sheet with the Utah Jazz on Wednesday. The Cavaliers would have 15 days to match the six-year, $68 million contract. After that, it's anybody's guess what the Cavaliers are going to do. If they think they would be better off long term with Boozer on the roster, as compared to Zydrunas Ilgauskas, they might entertain trade offers for the 7-foot-3 center. Moving Ilgauskas' $14.6 million contract would free up more than the necessary cap space to match the first year of Boozer's offer, which is thought to be about $10 million. Ilgauskas is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2004-05 season. Rumors around the league say his agent could ask for a maximum contract from the Cavaliers. The last time Cavaliers general manager Jim Paxson was faced with a similar dilemma, he traded point guard Andre Miller to the Los Angeles Clippers. Owner Gordon Gund has twice reportedly nixed possible deals for Ilgauskas - once at the trade deadline for Portland's Rasheed Wallace and again on draft day in a three-way affair with Indiana and Dallas. If the Cavaliers come to the conclusion that the chances of Ilgauskas staying in Cleveland beyond next year are slim, then maybe they should trade him now. If they decide Boozer shouldn't be brought back under any circumstance, then maybe they open contract negotiations with Ilgauskas now. To bring Boozer back to the team would be difficult, especially after he reportedly broke an oral agreement to re-sign with the Cavaliers. He became a restricted free agent on July 1 and agreed to sign with Utah last Thursday. In Sunday's edition of the Salt Lake Tribune, a source close to Boozer said Cavaliers coach Paul Silas said the forward was nothing more than a "high-energy player." Silas didn't return a phone message on Sunday seeking comment. The Cavaliers might have to swing a trade in order to find a replacement for Boozer if they choose not to match his offer. The free-agent market is drying up quickly. So much for bringing forward Al Harrington to Cleveland. Forward Stephen Jackson reportedly will sign a six-year contract worth $44 million with Atlanta and then be traded to the Pacers for Harrington, who has two years and $13.3 million left on his contract. The Pacers had shown some interest in Cavaliers swingman Luke Jackson before the draft. However, after being selected with the 10th pick in the June 24 draft, he couldn't be traded by the Cavaliers until December. In other developments: n Suns power forward Antonio McDyess has supposedly agreed to a contract with the world champion Detroit Pistons. n Knicks forward/center Vin Baker, represented by LeBron James' agent, Aaron Goodwin, recently had heart surgery, according to the New York Post. Bringing him to Cleveland might be a risky move. n Grizzlies power forward Stromile Swift is still on the open market, but Memphis has said it would match any reasonable offer for him. n Wizards power forward Etan Thomas is rumored to be headed to Milwaukee. n Celtics forward/center Chris Mihm might be a case of "been there, done that." The Cavaliers traded him to Boston last December. A return to Cleveland might not be the right fit. n The Lakers' Stanislav Medvedenko could be a possibility for the Cavaliers, but the 6-10, 250-pound forward is not a strong rebounder. n The Cavaliers could have interest in one of the Rockets' three power forwards - Juwan Howard, Maurice Taylor or Clarence Weatherspoon.
if the cavs are truely looking for a trade partner ..WE ARE IT! i got a few proposals for paxson.... battie/diop, wagner/#1 (whichever combo they like better) = 6.9mil TE Z, wagner/ollie = Mo, 6.9mil TE, pike my favorite would be the trade for Z... if we did this (since they want to dump Z anyways) we could use Z @ the 5 & 4...he will be yao and howard's backup...how bout our own twin tower yao and Z? Z will be valueable as a trade asset ...he is gonna come off the book... at the end of season if we dont trade him...we gonna have $15mil to play with and get a better crop next yr... this yrs FA is bloated with ridiculous offers! and then we got wagner or ollie as throw in for our much needed bench. either deal from above will free up cap space for cavs plus if they still want boozer back... they can with our TE. what u guys think?
a trade like Howard and Walker for Illgauskus would work pretty well for both teams. Cleveland has to trade Illgauskus to get a power forward. Look at their roster, they do not have one. They have centers, they have no power forward. This trade would give them a talented young player and clear roster space next year if they wanted to go after a couple players.
At this point, I don't see how re-signing Booze would even be worth it anymore. It would be impossible for him to come back and play for us after all the mud-slinging that's gone down in the past week, and trading our all-star center would just weaken our frontcourt even more. I say trade Battie and Wagner to try to bring in someone who can even do HALF of what Booze did, and let him go. I mean, I really hate to see him go (since i wasted my money buying my dad a Boozer jersey for his birthday in May now!), and I'll still cheer for him whenever he comes back, but him re-signing with Cleveland now would just hurt both parties.
