KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

I've been wanting Haliburton for a long time. Dude had a bad shooting night, but he had 15 assists and +26 for a win.

 

Pacers will never trade us Haliburton us now. He's well on his way to being a top 3 PG in the league.

 

The question is whether or not you think he can learn to make better decisions over time.

 

If you guys really think SIlas will do that you are delusional. We are lucky if Wemby gets the ball at all or doesnt just stand in the corner.

 

KPJ has all the tools to be a good PG, he just needs better coaching. His handles are good, is able to dribble through double teams, can make the hard pass. But he tries too hard to get his shot and most often taking horrible shots. If feels like no one has set his role as the facilitator. It’s as if he believes he is suppose to be the go-to scorer on the team. He’s still young enough to change that but if it doesn’t happen this year or next then we have a Westbrook with less speed and athleticism. This team is better off with a Derek Fisher, Beverley, Rondo, Smart type PG who’s strength are as defensive PGs. We have enough scorers in Green, Sengun, Smith and eventually our top draft pick.

 

His pass vision is limited. Its mostly whats in front of him and thats partly why he has so many turnovers.

 

He showed THAT side last night.

Might want to ck himself.

Nothing's guaranteed.

 

This sounds familiar.
https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/anthony-davis-shot-westbrook-loss-kings/amp/

 

The basic job for a PG on this team, is that safety bringing to ball up and passing the ball to your teammates within 3 seconds once you entered the front court, as simple as that. He didn't even do his core job right, and he's trying to be cute and creative. The coach didn't hold him accountable, but it's not all about the coach. Silas is a bad coach, but it's not Silas's fault that KPJ has no self-awareness. Every time we got dunk on, KPJ would either drove in the crowd in the next possession and ended up a turnover, or shoot a contested three and hope it would fall. His ball got stolen, then he tried to steal it back the next possession and ended up in a foul. We have seen that happen so many times. He let his emotions shadowed his judgement, that's why he can't be the PG of the future. Last year, DJ Augustin was one of the least talent PG in the league, but he still able to make our 2nd unit competitive. That shows that, it's not about talent, it's about discipline. CP3 was one of the best shooters in the league when he was at his prime, he only shoots when he needs to because he knows his role. John Stockton is another example. Coming into this season, I have been saying KPJ won't be a good PG, but I still had hope that he could do some basic jobs correctly. I was like, if DJ Augustin could do it, why couldn't KPJ? Sometimes, some players just can't play out of their position, like Smith would never be a good center. It is what it is, that doesn't mean we need to trade KPJ, it means he may no longer be a good option as the main distributor.

 

I'm no KPJ fan, but there simply is no one else. You guys hate Nix more, it doesn't make sense to use assets to get some one else. It is what it is.

We are in a holding pattern until this offseason.

 

I don't agree. Didn't KPJ sat for a while in the second half and we made a run against the Pelicans? Green was hot, and all other players, whoever brought the ball up actively looking for Green and immediately threw it to him. That's why we made a run. When KPJ came back in, he contributed several turnovers, and we lost the game. Your reasoning is that, Nix is worse, so we need to keep playing KPJ at the point. Reality is, we have a lot of players who can bring the ball up to the front court. As long as they are actively looking for teammates and feeding the hot hands, we could make some runs and win some games. How many touches Green had during the fourth quarter once KPJ subbed back in? If we can't trade for a point, we would still be much better playing Green or Gordon with three other forwards and a center. Our offense would be so much better and the turnovers would be so much less than KPJ's hero balls. We have been in the bottom of the standing since KPJ served as our PG. Other positions, except the PG, on our rosters have been revamped and we still haven't improved, comparing to other young teams. Why can't we make some change on our PG position and see if the team improved? You can't have a worse record than our current record. Even if we got the worst record, there's no guarantee we'll get Wemby. We don't need to wait until the end of the season to make a change, and you can make some small changes to make the team sails in the right direction. Right now, our team is not moving to the right direction. It is what it is.

 

54 pages to answer the OP with this:
He is the "point guard"

 

KPJ kills ball movement, but unlike a Harden or Luka, he is nowhere near good enough to get away with it

KPJ is only the PG because he has the best handles on the team…I am giving the organization the benefit of the doubt that they don’t actually view him as a legit PG option or our PG of the future

Maybe my faith is misplaced, but no one can be that dumb, right? Right?

hopefully this experiment is over after this season…we have enough data, and the hypothesis that he sucks as a PG has been answered long ago with a 99% confidence interval

 

Your focus seems to be trying to win games, that is not the organizations priority.

They just committed an extension to KPJ, thus they are obviously going to try to develop him into something better.

I'm sorry you guys are so passionately against this, but asking for Jalen Green to run point or some other silly alternative is just not feasible.

While I don't like KPJ as a long term PG, he is the least worst option until more opportunities open up this summer.

 

What did he initiate by dribbling towards the corner to run the clock down?

I'd say the person who made a bee-line for him and aggressively hit him was the instigator.

That's a really strange way of reading that situation.

 

KPJ takes too long to do his moves, not sure if it's physical limitations or just mental. I don't really understand the comparison to Harden, Harden might dribble in place, but his go to love is a straight line drive when he sees the opponent mess up with foot work.

KPJ will do these dribbles with no purpose and end up usually with a tough shot anyway. You only have 24 seconds on the shot clock, it should only take you 2-3 seconds to either make a move or pass.

 

If KPJ is not a good option as a long term PG, then why waste time to develop him there? Since we are not about winning, why not just get a stopgap solution and develop him in something he can excel? I don't even mind playing Nix and TyTy there. Or get a serviceable veteran. Heck, they can even play Gordon as PG before they are ready to get a real guy there. Another viable option is have KPJ as "PG" but not as the hub of the offense. Let him bring the ball up court and pass out quickly to Sengun to initiate. Guys like Beverley plays that kind of PG role.

 

If the organization focus not try to win games, then what's their focus? Raising the white flag just 10 games into the season to tank for a high draft pick? It's true that they committed an extension to KPJ, but he can play the other position or coming off the bench. You don't suddenly jump from the worst record to a championship, and it takes time to experiment the lineup and build chemistry. More importantly, if we take KPJ out of the PG position, our team still sucks and turnovers are still over the roof. That can prove that KPJ may not be the problem and we could be wrong. However, you said "While I don't like KPJ as a long term PG" proves that you have already taken KPJ out from the long term equation. It's not fair to KPJ as well. That's why when we can afford to lose, we need to experiment different lineups and nobody should be safe. If you don't try, how do you know it is silly? It's not like we have something to lose. I admired your compassion in auditing the idea to tank the full season without giving a try, when the season just started a little bit more than a month. OMG, We are already talking about the next Summer.

 

Agree 100%. Saying that KPJ is our only option at PG even if he sucks at it is such a lame excuse. It's not like EG, Jalen, Nix, TyTy, JC, Tate, and even KPJ himself aren't capable of just bringing the ball up the floor and then dumping it off to Sengun to facilitate just like how the Nuggets do with Jokic.

Doing something that doesn't work over and over... if this isn't insanity, then I don't know what is. For the sake of the team's young core and for KPJ's own sake, pull the plug on KPJ as the lead facilitator and try something else already...

 

Silas is long gone in my senario lol. He doesn't belong near a team trying to win. We should be trying to win next year