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Kyrie Irving to Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DaBeard, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. Reeko

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    only real consequence Alex Jones has faced is Sandy Hook
     
  2. jerryclark

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    This is so corny they clearly just have a vendetta against kyrie. Im surprised they dont have him on his hands and knees like a dog too

    Its crazy to think this is even legal. Imagine being forced to make a donation just to get paid for the contract you signed... And all because you linked a movie
     
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    It is a big deal. If it wasn't a big ask, then why attach it to his NBA career? Not only that, but also his endorsements.

    They want him to apologize, pay a fine, denounce his beliefs, get reprogrammed with other beliefs, meet with a Jewish leader, and meet with his owner to give a report on his new beliefs. o_O

    But it's not a big deal? :confused:
     
  4. SamFisher

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    Yeah but not for lack of trying.

    You're accusing people of being hypocritical but mostly the same people upset by Kyrie are upset by the white supremacist party (more or less the entire GOP).

    Like i said if Kyrie wants to go the Royce White route - the career path is open to him. It's not as good as selling shoes tho
     
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    the original kkk were white christian democrats

    watch the 2016 film "birth of a nation" directed by nate parker, nat turner who was played by nate parker in the film was a preacher on on his slave masters plantation that kept the slaves in line and believing in a white jesus that was gonna come and get them out of slavery. No different than what the democrats do with the black church today paying these pastors to get their congregation to vote for democrat politicians. That tactic used to work effectively with genx and baby boomers, but it no longer has any effect on black male genz and millienals

    see video below of what im talking about, this is a bought and paid off pastor bringing leftist politics in the church which is illegal

     
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    For any who have worked or currently working at Corporate America, many U.S. companies have social media policies. People do ethics compliance training, social media training, harassment training. Some of us do these (mostly virtual now) at least once a year. There's a social contract when you agreed to work with an employer. The point of these is for the employees to understand what is acceptable and what's not. So if a person choose to violate, they can't say they didn't know.

    There is personal expression, and then there's rules by your companies. If people disagree, person could choose to not work there.

    He's not singled out here, because if accountant ABC did something like this in company XYZ, he'd get the same treatment. In Meyers Leonards' case punishment was much swifter. Kyrie got a lot more leeway than Meyers.


    Kyrie is a celebrity. What he does: good or bad is spread more widely. He's one of the faces of the league, VP of NBPlayers Association, the guy on Nets NBA brochures for selling tickets in Brooklyn which has one of the largest Jewish community. And if someone has a contract with an endorsement company (Nike), his image dose matter. Pretending this is not the case with sports athletes is willful ignorance.


    Twitter is ubiquitous, but does it have to be? NBA doesn't require any of its player to have a Twitter account. Kyrie is not required to post anything at any frequency. He decides the stuff he poosts. And what he did (public overreaction or not) ended up hurting the league's image. You can't say the NBA or the Nets shouldn't respond. After four years of his shenanigans, the league, the fans, everyone is so friggin' tired.


    He's not the first celeb to hurt his career via Twitter and won't be the last. TBH I frankly don't care what Kyrie believes, his state of mind. If he's misunderstood or really is a bigot, but if you're going to be one, be a closet one. Don't spread the message and bring other people into that view.



    The fact that he's muted for a while is good, because maybe the NBA news cycle can go back to actual basketball.
     
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  8. VoR

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    The fact that this is the top headline for over a week tells you everything about their long term agenda.

    control the money. control the narrative. make yourself immune from criticism by punishing or canceling anyone who questions you.

    If you can’t see the terrifying end game from this cabal, lord help you.
     
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    Not a movie. a "documentary" that promotes a false and anti-Semitic narrative. Don't pretend you don't get it. If a white player endorsed a documentary that promoted white supremacist ideas you'd likely be 100% for all of this and more.

    The NBA doesn't have a vendetta against Kyrie. Kyrie seems to have a vendetta against Kyrie.
     
  10. Williamson

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    And the current KKK consists of white christian conservatives. Both parties have gone in radically different directions. As for the rest of the conspiratorial nonsense you're spewing - I'm not bothering.

    It's a top headline because he doubled down instead of owning his mistake - which is a very Kyrie thing to do. It would have gone away instantly if he had just sincerely apologized, made his donation and let the world move on.
     
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    OMG dude no way!!!! WOWOWOW
     
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    what was antisemitic? What did kyrie say that was "hurtful" and "harmful"?

    Not only did he apologize already, he explained that parts he didnt agree with
     
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    Any other employee of any race, color and/or gender would have been fired. Anyone that argues in favor of Kyrie is supporting discrimination and grand-dcale misinformation of Trumpian levels.

    I see the crazies out here defending Kyrie and Kanye when not even LeBron, one of the biggest supporters of African Americans, is officially denouncing him.
     
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    https://theathletic.com/3769515/2022/11/07/nets-nba-executives-poll-kyrie-irving-kevin-durant/

    In the wake of Irving’s recent suspension from the Brooklyn Nets for promoting an antisemitic film on social media, and after all these years in which he missed more Nets games than he played because of injuries, his vaccination stance and “personal reasons,” most of the 11 team executives who spoke with The Athletic on the subject made this much clear: If given the opportunity to trade for him this season or sign him if the Nets waived him or when he becomes a free agent this summer, they’ll be running the other way.

    “He’s the opposite of a commodity, which is what you want a player who’s getting paid that much to be,” one general manager said.

    “I think Kyrie might not play in the NBA again,” said another general manager.

    “It’s gonna be one-year deals from here on out (for Irving),” a front office executive said.


    “With Nike pulling away, that makes it even tougher for him,” one owner said of the shoe company’s decision to suspend its longstanding relationship with Irving.

    In an attempt to get a better sense of how the rest of the league views the Nets’ sensitive situation, I spoke with five front office heads and six other executives about the latest daunting challenge that faces Nets ownership and management. Of those 11, only one expressed a possible interest in adding Irving at some point down the line. Durant, as evidenced below, is a whole different matter entirely when it comes to league-wide interest.

    The executives, who included representatives from both conferences, were granted anonymity in name and title because they’re not permitted to speak about other teams or players publicly. They are all referred to as front office executives below.

    Kyrie’s future

    First things first, there’s the basic question: Is there any chance that all this self-inflicted drama means he’ll be forced into early retirement?

    For the most part, the executives believe that Irving’s career will continue in some form.


    Front office executive No. 1
    “No (his career isn’t nearing an end). It’s just like (Latrell Sprewell) back in the day. You have to put everything in historical context. No matter how egregious something is, everybody thinks there’s a Jesus out there that can save them.” (After choking Golden State coach P.J. Carlesimo in an early December practice in 1997, Sprewell was suspended for one year by the NBA. The Warriors subsequently traded him to the Knicks, who re-signed him in November 1999).

    Front office executive No. 2
    “He will not be on (our team), but someone will (want him). They always do for his talent.”

    From there, of course, it becomes a question of payment amount and length of the terms. To that end, a recent history reminder is in order here.

    When Irving strongly considered opting out of the final season of his deal worth $37 million in late June, there were rumblings that he might be willing to sign a taxpayer midlevel deal with the Lakers ($6.4 million) as a way of getting where he reportedly wanted to go. Yet as we reported in early October and a sentiment that still exists, sources say the Lakers have significant concerns about the prospect of adding Irving at any price and have not been focused on that scenario all season long.

    It’s quite clear that Laker Land is a highly unlikely, if not impossible, landing spot.

    Yet as we discussed, the prospect of him having to eventually take a significant pay cut somewhere remains very real.


    Front office executive No. 3
    “The problem you have is, ‘Is he going to be able to play?’ It doesn’t matter why you can’t play. It doesn’t matter if it’s because of COVID or a league suspension, or a team suspension. In order to be a good player, you have to play. And this is even before dealing with the stuff that the Nets were dealing with before COVID, where he just didn’t feel like playing basketball half the time.

    “I think he’s a really challenging guy. Leaving aside whether he’s a good human, a bad human, whether he’s using his platform correctly or anything else, and even if I have zero morals and I’m just making a basketball evaluation, you need him to play. It doesn’t matter why someone can’t play, but how do you feel good that he’s gonna be available?

    “He doesn’t play basketball, and that’s for a guy who’s now probably the best on the court he’s ever been. But he’s getting to an age where, presumably, injuries are gonna get more frequent and everything else. This is the healthy version of him, too. So I think it’s really challenging. I guess there’s some chance he plays for the small midlevel or whatever, so maybe a team would do it. I just think it’s really challenging.

    “A lot of it is going to (be determined by) what the Nets do. If the Nets bring him back and let him play, and he manages to skate through the year, then he’s a whole lot (easier to sign). (But) who’s gonna give him the first chance? No one wants to be the one who gives him the first chance. … I mean, he’s clearly an NBA player, and he’s probably one of the top 10 guys in the league. But he’s an extraordinarily high-risk person.”

    Front office executive No. 4
    “It’s gonna take a special organization and coach to want to deal with the guy. Miami comes to mind, but Miami might say, ‘We’re good; we don’t want to deal with it.’ … But if you don’t have the reputation with one of your players or the coach or the front office guy, where you’re one of the larger figures in the league, I just don’t know why you take that on because he seems pretty hard to manage.

    “You don’t know when he’ll be available. He already wasn’t that durable coming into it, but now he’s sitting out for vaccinations, he’s making these comments. So he’s the opposite of a commodity, man, which is what you want a player who’s getting paid that much to be — a trustworthy (person where) you know exactly what you’re gonna get. And even if you know they have an injury profile where they might miss a certain number of games, you can bake that into the equation. With him, it’s just so hard to discern when he’s going to be available and what makes him tick.”

    Front office executive No. 5
    “There’s always going to be a team that’s desperate enough to sell their soul for the guy on a short-term deal, thinking they have the right leadership in place to handle him. I think whatever happens with him, it’s gonna be one-year deals from here on out. I don’t think anybody gives him a long-term deal. You just can’t. … How do you justify giving him a long-term deal now with a history that he never plays a full season? You just can’t trust that he’s gonna do the right thing.”

    Front office executive No. 6
    “I don’t know (what happens with Irving), but it’s really bad where he stands with things and some of the stuff he’s done. It’s very unfortunate, but I do think there’s a team or two that would take him. I don’t think this is (career-ending). I don’t. I mean, certainly, it’s career hampering. It’s detrimental to his career. It’s going to reduce his market. And for every player, that matters at some point. As you age, it gets harder. But I do think there’s one or two teams that would take him, or maybe even a couple more (than that).”
     
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    Wrong profession and wrong city to be delving into such topics. Kyrie is done.
     
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    Kyrie Irving has the NBA by the basketballs. They just don't know it yet.
     
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    hopefully it leads to a domino of KD asking out
     
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