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What's Wrong with The Rockets?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jim1961, Oct 31, 2022.

  1. ipaman

    ipaman Member

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    Looking at our year last year and our schedule, we've had only one realistic win and we won it. Nobody would suggest the games we lost were upsets.
     
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  2. apollo33

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    Small sample size for Green. Considering he had half of last season putting up really good counting stats, not sure I can judge him on 4 bad games.

    Jabari on the other hand, pretty unimpressed, he has not really shown us anything, except for 2 games including summer leage
     
  3. conquistador#11

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    Too much dribbling and turning it over and not enough assists/ hockey assists. When Green gets the ball, everyone just freezes. It makes it easier to defend when there is no motion. Same thing when Sengun and Porter get the ball and that's a lot of possession. But why is it that when Martin is on the court he cuts? I don't understand. Shirley, they watch film.
     
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  4. my time to shine

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    It’s on stone imo

    we had two top 3 picks but don’t have any foundational pieces to show for them.

    Can’t keep drafting busts
     
  5. Denovo

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    I give Jabari the benefit of the doubt because we knew he was raw before we drafted him.

    I have much higher expectations for Green this season. Hoping he gets out the slump sooner than later.
     
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  6. J.R.

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    Veterans like Danuel House, Daniel Theis, Christian Wood, Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin, David Nwaba, Avery Bradley, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Ben McLemore, Victor Oladipo, Kelly Olynyk and Dennis Schroder?

    Oh they were still dogsh`t with veterans?

    All those veterans and this coach is still reeling off 20-game, 15-game, 10-game losing streaks at a time.
    “YeAh BuT we’Re TaNkInG!”

    You people have gotten so comfortable with tanking, with losing. Just write anything and everything off as “Yeah, but we’re tanking!”

    Will they keep it up, I don’t know, probably not but..
    You’re telling me you’d take the Spurs roster or Jazz roster?
    @xaos even created a thread on Rockets vs. Spurs rebuild.
    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/spurs-vs-rockets-rebuild-future.314558/
    Rockets 45 vote(s) 84.9%
    Spurs 8 vote(s) 15.1

    Keldon Johnson?
    Devin Vassell?
    Tre Jones?
    Romeo Langford?
    Josh Richardson?
    Keita Bates-Diop?
    Jeremy Sochan?
    Vets Poeltl/McDermott/Collins

    Go ahead, say it. “AcTuAlLy I WoUlD.”

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/2022-23-houston-rockets-will-they-be-over-under-24-5-wins.316728/

    Will the Rockets win over or under 24.5 games in 2022-23?
    OVER 24.5 wins 185 vote(s) 79.7%
    UNDER 24.5 wins 47 vote(s) 20.3%

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/hollinger-rockets-season-preview.317236/
    Hollinger: 22-60

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/poll-how-many-rocket-wins-for-2022-23.316000/
    0 - 24 wins 19 vote(s) 15.6%
    25 - 30 wins 57 vote(s) 46.7%
    31 - 34 wins 23 vote(s) 18.9%
    35 - 40 wins 14 vote(s) 11.5%
    40 - 59 wins 4 vote(s) 3.3%
    60 - 82 wins 5 vote(s) 4.1%

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/how-many-wins-for-the-rockets-in-22-23.316240/
    How many more wins will the Rockets in 22-23 with the current and expected changes?
    About the same 5 vote(s) 7.0%
    +5 18 vote(s) 25.4%
    +10 26 vote(s) 36.6%
    +15 11 vote(s) 15.5%
    +20 11 vote(s) 15.5%

    How dare you expect 25 wins and no 20-15-10-game losing streaks! Asking & expecting too much!
    When expecting 25ish wins is too much, LOL holy sh`t.

    Someone posted 538’s predictions the other day…
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-predictions/
    Rockets: 18-64
    5 clear of the next team. (Next: Pistons 23-59)
    3rd year of Silas, projected 18-64
    18-64, one better than his first year.
    18 wins, is that too much? Are we asking & expecting too much? :rolleyes:
    Wins/losses aside, they look like dogsh`t.
     
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  7. apollo33

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    Your posts are absolutely low quality.

    in 2022 draft, Rockets had the 3rd pick and was going to draft Paolo, but ended up with whatever was left of the consensus top 3 pick.

    In 2021 Cade was the only consensus top pick, It was just a coin flip between Mobley and Green, and despite the early struggles, Green arguably had the 2nd or 3rd best rookie in the second half of last season.

    These are just very standard picks, not all top 3 picks turn into foundational pieces, there hasn't been a foundational pick in the draft since Zion Williamson
     
  8. glimmertwins

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    ....your assumptions are wrong. People aren't asking to fire the coach or replace the players just because we are losing games. We could lose every game the rest of the season and I could care less if I saw growth in the players and the system but the problem is I DON'T see growth in the system and I see players frustratingly trying to make something happen within the system because there is no "plan B". It's why our players drive into 3 defender or take rushed shots early in the shot clock because the confidence and expectations of the players in the system is that "this is about as good as it's going to get so I gotta take this bad shot or else there is going to be a worse shot later in the shot clock". The problem is we are 7 games into the exact same "offense" and I have seen little changes and I continue to see players think playing better hero ball is the only way to make the system work.

    Bottom line - Silas' main "experience" is with Luka - a HOF level facilitator. We brought him in to work with Harden and mostly implement a similar system to take advantage of a HOF level creator and facilitator. The problem is, once Harden went away Silas continued to try to implement a system not suited to where our guys are developmentally NOR frankly suited to where our guy's skill sets are. Let's be honest - KPJ and Green are gifted players but neither are EVER going to create offense for others like Luka or Harden. We can spend a decade growing them and they will get better - but it's not going to change our situation drastically because they likely will never be those "pass first" guys. They just aren't wired that way.

    The problem is - we need a coach who can coach to both where our players are at today AND where they will be later in their career. Right now our coach can only be effective coaching them to where he wants them to be if they were entirely different players - this isn't going to work. I don't hate on Silas - he's just a young coach and right now has one "proven" tool and is stubbornly trying to make that work but his inexperience doesn't let him see that his successful "system" was only successful because he had the right players for it - there was no magic to "Silas' system" - just the alchemy of the right strategy with the right team to execute it's tactics. But it certainly isn't working here and I would argue will never work here as long as we have KPJ and Green on the team so what is Silas' really doing here?
     
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  9. javal_lon

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    I knew they'd be bad but I didn't think they'd suck!.. Big difference... That's why all these threads are so repetitious.. Folks are generally frustrated that the team is performing as if they never played together whatsoever... I would say it's pathetic but the Texans hold that distinction.. Rockets just suck!
     
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  10. Carpe82

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    Zion Williamson is a ****ing fat, ugly, clumsy overrated player. If there was decent defenders in the NBA nowadays, he would be nothing. I'm sure he will never win a championship
     
  11. jim1961

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    Here is what gets me about your take.

    Folks watch the players do this and do that and it seems assumed by many that everything the players do is according to Silas. Thus, if the players seem to play without a system, then Silas must not have a system. And so on.

    I am betting the players are only doing what Silas wants them to a portion of the time. Its hard to read what Silas wants them to do when they are not doing so much of the time. Its obvious to me that whatever the plan is, the players stray from it often. You can see them take the offense into their own hands at times without regard to what the other players are doing.
     
  12. Le$$

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    Thing is people hype up players on clutchfans but in reality if they played for the Knicks they just be avg scrubs. Zan tabak looking azz ..
     
  13. DaDakota

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    We drafted AAU all star players, and we have to teach them fundamentals.

    DD
     
  14. glimmertwins

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    While I agree that Williamson will probably never win a title, there are so many things wrong about your post that I can't even like it even if I agree with the conclusion. You straight up sound like a child calling someone "ugly" because you don't like them.
     
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    I personally find the way that our college team isn't going to the finals to be appalling.
     
  16. jim1961

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    What I listed were common complaints, not my assumptions.

    As far as your take goes, growth takes more time than you are giving it.
     
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    another silas apologist thread...yawn...
     
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  18. Carpe82

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    With "ugly" I mean to his game. He is ugly too, but you're right thats not relevant in this case
     
  19. TimDuncanDonaut

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    1, If you go to basketball reference .com
    2. Choose Houston Rockets and sort by W/L%.
    3. Not counting current season; Silas has #3 and #4 worst years of franchise history. That's 56 seasons. :eek:
    4. Current start of this year; the W/L% is the worst in Rockets history.


    There's been other rebuild in Rocket history, but the current Silas era has been one of the worst (and longest so far). Is it a surprise, no, but does it make it any less painful?

    [​IMG]

    The 1982-83 was 17.1, but after getting Hakeem, the following year went to 35.4%, then team became a 50+% team

    The gap between Yao and Harden era (2011-12): 51.5% with Kevin Martin
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    Jalen lost out ROTY to Barnes
    Is Jabari going to lose out to Paolo.
    If we get Wemby, Thompson, or Henderson, can Silas actually make them look good?

    Gonna be superficial for a minute, but if Rockets are racking up losses, can Jalen and Jabari at least get the nice stats pat for things like ROTY, they're not even getting that.
     
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  20. Phillyrocket

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    We’ve had a tough schedule.

    The team is very, very young which leads to poor defense and costly turnovers.

    The league is stacked with talent right now. There’s a lot of parity.

    Idk WTF our offense is supposed to be but 4 guys standing around the perimeter while 1 tries to play hero ball is garbage.
     

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