Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

Given the extremely high suicide rate of youth who identify as a different gender, wouldn't protecting children from physical harm include considering transitioning as an option?

 

Lol…. You just want to insert your own indoctrination.

Some kids are gay. Get over it.

 

Lol. You are just now remembering you have an adult friend who transitioned….

I wonder what your “friend” would think if he/she could read all your posts.

Over/under this “friend” will just happen to agree with all your posts?!

 

Governor DeSantis isn't against indoctrination, he just wants to control the indoctrination children receive.

DeSantis has asked Hillsdale College in Michigan to draft the Civics curriculum for students in Florida. Hillsdale is a Baptist university and is considered one of the most conservative in the country.

Also, it isn't as easy as protecting children from physical harm either. I don't see Governor DeSantis campaigning to eliminate or restrict gun ownership. More children in the US die from gun shot wounds than from all types of cancer combined. In the USA nearly 20,000 kids are shot each year and about 4,000 children die from gunshot wounds each year.


It is all politics, in the case of DeSantis, it is what he believes will get him elected and the top candidate for the Whitehouse in 2024.

 

Is there evidence to support that even after transitioning that these children are still committing suicide or seriously contemplating suicide.

Regarding alcohol that’s for entertainment purposes and many states do allow children to drink alcohol at home with parental consent. At the same time children suffering psychological issues can be proscribed psychoactive drugs.

As for how serious of a thing transitioning is yes I agree with that which is why I said it shouldn’t done lightly and there should be plenty of counseling involved. The problem o see is a blanket ban. This honestly sounds like politicians saying they know better than parents or doctors and pointing to minuscule amount of cases where someone regretted transitioning later.

 

We have a pretty damn good idea. The incidents of attempted suicide for those that are transgender are shockingly high and it is over an extended period of time.

What we don't have is the percentage of suicide attempts for those few people under 18 that have fully transitioned. Those numbers and the long term numbers would be helpful.

Of course they bring up the high suicide rates, because it is very relevant.

I think the overwhelming majority of or people would rather all means of counseling and then chemical/medication options be explored prior to having any surgical intervention taking place. My wife has even discussed this often. Even the hormone blockers have side effects that are not discussed. Someone can in theory go on hormone blockers, and at some point change their mind and have a form or puberty at a later date. However, we don't know what the consequences are medically decades from now.

I believe that surgical intervention should be a last effort and likely should be done when people are over 18. However I can also see both sides of the issue. At this point the information we do have points to the overwhelming majority of those that transition being happy they did so. It is inevitable that a certain percentage will not be happy.

What is an acceptable percentage? Why are they not happy they transitioned? Some studies show pressure from their family as the reason they wish they had never transitioned.

How many suicides averted are an acceptable number? I don't really have an answer.

This doesn't mean much to me personally. We let people die in war at 18 years old and we let them get married and have children. However people cannot drink until they are 21 years old. Every year minors have plastic surgery and other elective surgeries and it is allowed. Children are emancipated and treated like adults all the time.

There are a lot of things that are a bigger risk to children than transition surgery, and we allow it without much thought. We allow our children to eat food that we know causes diseases. We allow guns to flood the market that kill thousands of kids a year.

I am too, it is a very interesting subject. I don't think this is a black and white subject with a simple solution. I find fault on both sides of the argument.

 

Good post and that is pretty much my own thoughts on the matter so you’ve saved the forum another verbose post from me.

 

I can't speak to any study around suicide rates for those who undergo transition vs not....

But I can tell you of my friends son who was born a biological female but identifies as male. This is something he struggled with all his life, and he was deeply depressed particularly at the idea of going through puberty. He did horrible in school, was asocial, and overall just really unhappy. Getting onto hormones wasn't easy, it was a year long process as they really do a lot to make sure this is the best option. No parent wants to be in this position, my friend certainly did not, but the change in his son has been dramatic across the board. The level of happiness is much higher and he is doing much better in school and socially.

So I just hope you keep an open mind about it.

 

These are some great examples of manufactured outrage on display.

Most of the school book bans are for subjects on racism, sex, or other subjects that the extreme right don't like. Justifying the ban by calling these school books "indoctrination", a word choice meant to provoke stroke emotion by politicians, is a good sign that the politicians have successfully manufactured outrage in many folks.

Therapy is a choice, not a mandate. Taking that choice away will end up killing kids that are desperate for it. Not taking that choice away doesn't impact you or anyone else. Taking medically approved therapy choices away on the justification of "protect children from physical harm", another word choice meant to provoke strong emotion by politicians, is a good sign that politicians have successfully manufactured outrage in many folks.

Social media is an awesome effective medium to manufacture outrages. It impacts everyone (left, right, center).

 

I think this comment exactly shows the bias that any idea of homosexuality being expressed like a gay couple holding hands is sexually explicit while when a hetero couple does it, the same implication doesn't occur and is more "pg" and acceptable for children to see.