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What is the bigger issue the coaching, execution or both?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Oct 27, 2022.

  1. MadRox

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    Feel like we're still playing Harden style, except everybody is taking turn to be Harden where everybody just stand around and watch, zero movements.
     
  2. Carpe82

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    Idiot! ☝️
     
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  3. ApacheWarrior

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    Nice article. I agree wholeheartedly.

    It's more about personnel and level of competition, imo
     
  4. daywalker02

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    Dude who calls other idiots would look into a mirror.

    I. D. I. O. T.
     
  5. daywalker02

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    Believe me a 21-23 year old is not a teenager, KPJ is not a teenager when he threw things at the assistant.

    He is a young male that could not control himself and acted impulsively, selfishly, unprofessionally and immaturely.

    They should be held accountable like everyone else.

    However, society is eager to forgive 20 year olds than a 45 year old offender.
     
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  6. Os Trigonum

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    this should be a sticky
     
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  7. No Worries

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    College basketball is coach focused. Professional basketball is player focused.

    A college coach would sit Green's ass down every time Green gave up on a play on defense, which would be a lot.

    IIRC KPJ had serious issues with his college team, saw limited PT and left for the NBA after one year. KJP was likely too immature to play college ball.

    Luckily for the Rockets, the two new rookies, Jabari and Tari, both played in college basketball and thrived. Both entered the NBA more NBA ready than Green and KPJ. I suspect that both will make significant steps in development this year.

    In the end though, the NBA is a players league. If the Rockets youngsters stall in their development, Silas will get fired and another coach will be brought in (who may fare no better than Silas).
     
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  8. daywalker02

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    Good chance the franchise would suffer and Tilman will have to eventually sell it for less than what he paid for. Alas.

    Unless Wemby can do the marketing.
     
  9. Verbal Christ

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    Its both. If KPJ and the rest of the team could finish all those easy baskets near the rim the games would look different. If KPJ could then leverage that ability into collapsing and kicking vs scoring it would be helpful. If after KPJ does those things the ancillary players on the team could complete the assist the team would be competitive. Coaching is not good IMO in terms of basic game theory and preparing these guys to recognize and react to any situation on the court, but the team has been in every game except the Bucks game so far. Fans should pay attention to the way each guy who gets the ball plays - its a hot potato offense that seems to expect whoever gets the ball that he will beat his man 1v1 to the rim or usually a contested 3. Run around off half assed picks to try and create a mismatch. Rinse. Repeat. We have players who are pretty awesome at stressing a defense and getting into the paint with Jalen and KPJ they can seemingly do it at will and everyone else wants to do the same thing when they arent as gifted and are not playing to their strengths. Just seems to me to be a philosophical approach from the coach even when he says "well I didnt really want or expect them to play so much iso"

    I'd be curious to hear from the guys who dont think coaching is an issue at all and are focused only on the execution of the players as to what they see within that dynamic. Its not hard to spot a well run team and offense. They know what they are supposed to do and the motions on the court are with intent and predetermined. I just dont see that out there. If my memory serves me correct last year it seemed like there were a ton of packages coming out of the horns set that would lead to some mismatches and easy baskets and I cant even recognize that yet. Granted we have to remember that installing new players into the rotation could very well be throwing off the balance to begin the year (but maybe thats just too sensible and not spicy enough for this place! :p)
     
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    Reported!
     
  11. King1

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    Silas isn't a good coach. He belongs as an assistant. He's also probably the only coach bad enough to start KPJ so you should love him
     
  12. BHannes2BHonest

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    This should be a stickied post for all who think Tilman is not to blame for anything
     
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  13. LeDakota

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    Any competent head coach can easily implement both offensive and defensive plans and do a lot of experimentation as this team tanks no matter what. Age factor isn’t even a good excuse. Silas just fills a gap by doing NOTHING and eventually that leads to regression in general.
     
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    Nice vlog.
    Lets see whether we could beat dam-less blazers or not.
    if we fail, im gonna bump this thread up, n whine as hell.
     
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    Should be a close game with or without Dame.
     
  16. Believe It!

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    In my opinion they're a very young/inexperienced team with a 3rd year coach who is running the team exactly the way the GM and especially the owner wants him to run it. Like it or not, it seems to be the plan.

    For Stone and TF... 35 wins and missing the play in VS having the highest % to land a top pick in THIS draft is a complete no brainer.
     
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  17. Dobbizzle

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    It's both, but more on the coaching than the players. The players are missing gimme shots and easy buckets at the rim - even this is a bit to do with coaching. All of the players would be more successful with competent coaching and an actual structured offense. But the players do hold some blame for missing the good shots they get or missing the passes to the good shots and taking bad ones themselves. Ironically, most of the issues the players have, could and would be fixed by a competent coach. It's a fairly circular argument in all honesty.
     
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    We wouldn’t have many players on the court if we held them “accountable” when they repeatedly made mistakes.
     
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  19. Believe It!

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    Agreed. They both got a long way to go, but I imagine they'll look a lot better in the 2nd half of the season. Much like JG last yr. Will be fun to watch.
     
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  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Jabari is a rookie and is out of position a bit. The Jabari/Green blow up was because the rockets actually ran a play and Jabari didn’t set the pick.
     

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