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Post-up game is dead? Here's what Hakeem said about that

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Oct 21, 2022.

  1. O-dawg

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    If we had a player as talented as Dream in his prime, of course I would find a way to tailor the offense around him and get him as many touches as I can from High Post, Low Post, the friggin' Post Office. Sengun is not that player and thus I'm less concerned with getting him involved. The Rockets appear to be dedicated to pick and roll, or screens to get players open for shots. Alpi can and has fit into that. I'm not sure what more you folks would like to see.

    He does not merit going away from that style of offense. When he has a mismatch, they look for him but aren't always successful getting it to him. That will improve, but all of this complaining about him being more involved in the offense and that guards dribble too much is tiring. Apparently people haven't watched very many Warriors games, or Suns games, or 90% of the rest of the league that generates shots through guard penetration, or guards coming off screens.
     
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    No one comes a God at post game. I rather we have another form of offensive threat rather than the iso iso 3 ball. Like if it was harden running it, that's more understandable. Sengun has a knack at the post.

    Folks been btching about how the 3 pts is soooo predictable, the moment someone else does something else folks aren't liking it.

    Like if you are good at the post or mid range go for it.
     
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    The Warriors have Draymond as a playmaker, and they have Curry and Klay (and now Poole). I think Sengun can be as good a passer as Draymond, but KPJ won't be Curry or Chris Paul.
     
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  4. DominantBig

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    In today's system, fluid offense with a sprinkle of posts can work. The Player has to be able to go to the high post and be efficient, whether playmaking, shooting, or off the bounce. Guard post play still is very effective for those players that can do it. For a player like Sengun, setting screens, rolling into the post, flashes in the post, and back screens into the post by a guard would be ideal for running here and there throughout the game in addition to his current role. That doesn't mean running the offense through him, that means adding the wrinkle into the offense, forcing defenses to acknowledge that wrinkle, and that will just force defenses to be aware, which may lead to more offensive opportunities for the guards as well. I miss the age of bigs in the post.
     
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  5. O-dawg

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    Rockets don't play ISO ball. They run many half court sets 4 out 1 in, with heavy pick and screen action. Very rarely do you see the guards wave a pick away to go ISO or do you see a guard isolated on one side of the floor with the rest of the players on the other. I think some of you don't like guard heavy offense and want to see the old inside out style of play. Like it or not that day is past (sounding like a broken record now). Sengun i s great for 4-1 and they utilize him sometimes as the screener and sometimes they give him the ball to make the pass or hand-off. It's early and these young players (hell even the coaches) are still working out the wrinkles. Give it time (and a rest).
     
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  6. Believe It!

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    Dream, as was, would kill in today's game.

    No Doubt.
     
  7. Verbal Christ

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    Dream could actually face the basket and had the quicks to beat his man off the dribble. his countermove game was ridiculous. Instead of backing down and looking predictable defenders didnt know what he would do and would NEVER leave him open to take a shot. He would be as good or better in todays game since he didnt get tired running up and down the court and he would routinely turn defense into instant offense with his blocks. Not fair to Sengun to even mention him in the same breath as Dream.
     
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    99ers come out of their immortal summit when a post is about Hakeem

    Pure
    @heypartner
     
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    Clearly Hakeem doesn’t know what he’s talking about and needs to read these clutchfan opinions on the post game…
     
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    I do not particularly like both players you mentioned but Alperen I am okay with.
     
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    people have been trying to bury 'the big man' in the NBA for over a decade...

    there is more than 1 way to win... but its a copycat league...
     
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    Who was the last NBA champion that featured post-play as a significant offensive weapon?
     
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    The Spurs in 2014 with Tim Duncan. Although the Warriors have Draymond Green operating from the post sometimes. And Lebron plays in the post sometimes.

    As I said, in my opinion, the fact that teams won championships without having post play as their bread and butter has more to do with who the best players in the NBA were at the time. Curry, Lebron, Giannis.

    If Hakeem were playing today, I doubt that all he would be doing would be shooting threes and camp on the perimeter. And he would still be dominant.
     
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    This is like saying anyone with a good midrange game can cause a defense trouble because you can't guard them. Yes, that's true. The problem is that only a handful of players in the entire league are good enough to make it an effective part of their offense.

    We were the most analytics driven team in the league under Morey and cut out the midrange and post game as much as possible. But when we got CP3 we allowed him to take midrange shots in volume because he's that good. People started thinking we needed even more midrange shots just to mix things up, as if players like EGo or Ariza taking them would somehow help our offense.

    There are no absolutes in basketball. Morey tried to build our offense around Yao's post game and is doing the same in Philly with Embiid. Is it a forgone conclusion that Sengun will be on that level? The Rockets are putting him on the second unit so that he can be featured more on offense, not less. We'll still see what he can do. And if he completely dominates second units he'll likely start again.
     
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    Honestly if he added a 10-12 ft turnaround on that post game he'd be so crazy. Post is basically just ISO from a different spot.
     
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    As always, F Silas and his weak ass coaching. A real coach would find ways to get Sengun integrated.

    F ya'll ragging on barely 20 year old prospect for a handful of mistakes when he was barely given any time to play last year.
     
  17. cmoak1982

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    Eh. F the haters
     
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  18. topfive

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    Isn't that kinda like Jimmy Page saying rock guitar is still alive? I love the sentiment, but the evidence shows that it's no longer nearly as popular.
     
  19. Caesar

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    the lost art of post entry passes=no opportunities. Hakeem would still feast with his face up game and all, but he literally could do his baseline fade away nearly behind the backboard basically and be unguardable still today-but who gets him the ball where he wants it?
     
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    Can we really say 2014 Tim Duncan was the focal point of the spurs offense? He was a shell of himself. They had a very balanced attack. That's all I ask for. It can't always be guards driving and picking and rolling.
     
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