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America’s 77 million gun owners more diverse than (you) think

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Oct 6, 2022.

  1. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

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    LOL. Yeah....let's kill everything insight while killing everything you are trying to protect too. Most people are not trained to use a semi-automatic rifle. You miss, you are likely to kill your neighbor across the street. It is not practical. A shotgun/hangun is better for the majority of people.
     
  2. Salvy

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    A responsible rifle owner can absolutely be well trained and more precise than with a hand gun. I know political figures try to make AR's seem like these huge weapons of mass destruction and war that takes years and years of army training. No... Check Kyle Rittenhouse, did he hit anyone who was not a threat to his safety? He was a young man that had some experience with his riffle. Not years and years of training in the military.

    I'm not saying anyone can just pick one up and do the same, like anything else it takes responsibility. It takes practice and time. Its not a toy. Someone can pick up an AR and be better with it in less time than a handgun.

    Do you think handguns are safe for neighbors lol? I mean if the person shooting it is straight missing those rounds are still traveling a pretty long distance.
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    https://www.pistolbasics101.com/calibers--bullets-101.html

    AR's while capable of hitting things miles away have fairly small rounds. Compared to AK's and other riffles.

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    Yeah, it depends on the barrel but most AR's are going to shoot 223/5.56...


    AR's outside of shotguns are likely the absolute best guns for home protection.
     
  3. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

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    Um, don't even need a gun license in Texas. Well-trained? LOL.
     
  4. Salvy

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    Yeah because it takes a certified licensed mechanic to fix a car, a licensed contractor to install base board in a home, a professional chef to cook a steak, a professional landscaper to mown a lawn...

    You don't need a gun license to be a responsible gun owner and proficient with your weapon if you at least somewhat try. Believe it or not..
     
  5. Mr.Scarface

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    You have to have a license to drive a car. Why not a weapon of war? Or any dangerous firearm that kills tens of thousands a year? You know, I was trying to get a car title transferred in Texas this year. They required 4 different forms. When they found out one of the people on the title was dead, they required a copy of the death certificate, a copy of the probate of the will, and the certification that the other person was who they said they were. I was wondering if they were going to require a picture of the body and a DNA sample. I was thinking, I could go buy a guy in 15 minutes because the State of Texas doesn't care, but to get a car title transferred...It basically takes navigating a whole bureaucracy.
     
  6. Salvy

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    Well, operating a motor vehicle is very different from owning a weapon for self protection or a hobby. You use the vehicle every single day, every single day you drive that vehicle you are exposing yourself to a potential fatal accident whether to you or some else. Yeah, its totally understandable that someone should have a driver license to operate a motor vehicle on the daily. Guns on the other hand are not a mean of transportation and or work unless you work at a shooting range handling guns which means that most likely the person handling guns every day is a licensed instructor. Which means that in order to handle guns on a daily he needs to have a license and or instructor certification.

    Look, there are people who clearly shouldn't own guns. Ranging from short tempered people to careless and irresponsible ones. Guns are dangerous, guns should be handled safely and responsibly. While I'm not sure I agree with a Gun license I don't disagree with anyone purchasing a gun to have to take a safety class first. Basic fundamentals like trigger finger placement, gun handling and being aware of your surroundings when handling a gun could save many lives. If they want to even go as far as ce "continued education" I'm not even against that. But taking away guns is an outright no for me. While eliminating guns can save lives from accidents and impulsive short tempered actions it will also leave us without a way to defend ourselves from criminals who will get their hands on guns regardless of a ban. That will also result in lost lives and possibly much more.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    Total ban on handguns = lower gun violence. Let's do that first.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Black people should not brag about anything in terms of gun violence. I know we like to say at least we don't do the crazy crimes. The fact is Democrats don't like to talk real gun violence numbers because it leads back to inner city ghetto violent crime which makes up the vast majority of gun deaths.

    Democrats will never get any gun control legislation until they are honest about gun violence
     
  9. Mr.Scarface

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    We know your self-hatred makes you think black people are the only ones that commit gun crimes.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The facts is Black men commit more total murders than any group. Democrats will never get anywhere on gun control period. They definitely won't get anywhere intentionally ignoring most gun deaths happen in every day crime
     
  11. Mr.Scarface

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    I guess your solution is to just lock up all black males ( yourself excluded, of course)? To fix crime, It takes more than 2 parents families. It takes economic hope and well-funded educational programs. Good-paying jobs, and well-funded schools are the basis for any crime prevention. Republicans don't give a **** about low-income minority communities. Democrats cannot change these situations on their own. Black and Hispanic communities can't change these on their own. It takes everyone and the Republicans don't give a ****.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    No my first solution is for people to be honest about the problem. That is the only reason I bring it up here
     
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  13. Mr.Scarface

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    LOL. Honest is not "it is a black community problem...they need to deal with it themselves." That is not honest. That is an excuse not to help. Do you want honesty? Accept there is systemic racism in America that perpetuates a cycle of poverty, lack of economic growth opportunities in black and brown communities, and educational funding discrimination that will NEVER be fixed without Republicans/Conservatives acknowledging it. HONESTY about the problems is a 2-way street.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Yes an AR-15 round will travel much further than a handgun or shotgun round but I would say an AR-15 is much easier to operate and be accurate and proficient at than a hand gun. AR-15s are very easy to learn. Very stable, very accurate, relatively light. You are more likely to miss with a hand gun.
     

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