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2022 Texas Governor's Race

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  1. Commodore

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    at the assisted living facility

     
  2. CCorn

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    This is much worse than letting hundreds of Texans die when the power grid went down.
     
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    Texas Becomes the Largest Emitter of Toxic Substances in the United States

    The data shows 16.7 million pounds of toxic substances were emitted into Texas water back in 2020, an increase from 13.2 million in 2007.

    Texas has a loose regulatory environment where it is very accessible to permit new polluting facilities and very challenging to get fined for violations.

    https://www.natureworldnews.com/art...ter-toxic-substances-united-states-report.htm

    Loose gun laws, mass shootings and murders, loose safety regs and toxic waste. Greg Abbott is killing Texans. Vote him out! Greg Abbott doesn't care about our environment or safety. It's oil money and NRA money from his loyalists that tops his list.
     
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    Recently went to an industry conference where all the big oil players said they wanted to lead the energy transition and to make Texas the leader in the energy transition (but that we also need to keep drilling for the time being so that there is no energy gap resulting from the transition). Meanwhile Beto says: “I said I’m gonna fight to make sure that we continue to be the leader in oil and gas globally, now more than ever,” O’Rourke said, citing the war in Ukraine. “We’re gonna have to produce this somewhere — I want it to be Texas. I want the jobs to be here.” From what they say, it looks to me like there isn't a candidate for governor that will be a problem for Texas' key industry.
     
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    Did that man lose his right to vote? Do you think he should? The campaign volunteers are (obviously) partisan, but people who do door-to-door campaigning usually are. How do you think an Abbott campaign volunteer would've phrased his options for this upcoming election?
     
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    I didn't really see what the problem was. Isn't it customary for campaigners to ask voters to vote for their candidates?
     
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    The difference is Beto would be more likely to address the toxic waste putting people at risk of illness and death.
     
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    It's scandalous because he expects Democratic volunteers to act like apolitical PBS broadcasters, but Republican volunteers can say all sorts of wild ****. He might also believe that the man shouldn't be allowed to vote since he seems impressionable.
     
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    Just because you don't see a problem doesn't mean it's not a problem. There is a good opportunity to fix that "problem". It can range from campaigners shouldn't be allowed to tell *certain* voters whom to vote for to *certain* voters shouldn't vote because they don't have the mental capacity to. Use analytics to figure out how to craft the policy to maximize election wins for those in power. Continue to expand and shift justification for these policies from ensuring secure election to ensuring election are acceptable to the public (a *certain* public).
     
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    Sure. And those oil guys probably won't like that Beto would be more forceful on environmental protection because it adds costs and makes them less competitive in world energy markets. On the flip side, he might foster a friendlier business environment for the energy transition and help those same companies with their efforts in developing hydrogen, CCUS, batteries, renewables, etc. Each of Abbott and Beto can be attractive to energy companies in their own way, and maybe popular with some business units and unpopular in other business units in the same energy company. While overall the industry and the state's lifeblood will be fine regardless. But I find it ironic because it'll be the voters who know oil is crucial to the Texas economy but don't really know how the energy industry is changing that will probably see the election as a simple dilemma: vote for poison and jobs or no poison and no jobs. But those are not really the stakes.
     
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    My guess is… and it’s not the most ethical way to run a campaign, but I can understand why, I think he’s just saying what is needed to try and grab a small percentage of Republican voters that might be tired of Hot Wherls. I’m not sure if he actually intends to follow some of the positions he’s claiming. He will get the lefts vote regardless of what he says because of Roe.

    Sadly, the right has resorted to saying whatever they want with no accountability, so he’s just fighting fire with fire.
     
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    The thing is, it's the workers being used and abused by the companies. Laxer regs puts them at higher risk of death and injury. Texas labor laws allow these companies to work them 12 days straight with lots of overtime, a day off, then work them to death again. If they want a life outside work, too bad. They will be forced to quit, and the next company will be the same way. It's a tough life for the guys keeping these billionaires rich, when they have no options other than starting a whole new career.
     
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    Which one of y’all is this?
    Beta probably took “it” up on the offer.
    Weirdos.

     
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    It’s the other party that wants to have sex with their leader.

    Anyways, waiting for Abbott to comment.

     
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    It’s still disappointing to think that a governor who failed in a disaster and lied about the causes of it, with an AG who is under indictment, and a Lt Governor who pretty much said old people should die for the economy are likely going to win re-election.

    This is a testament to how much control the GOP has of Texas but also the weakness of the Texas Dems if they couldn’t find someone better than Beto.
     
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    Refinery work from the Ship Channel to the Mississippi Delta is very well paying and diverse at every level except maybe trading / sales. Ain't nobody giving up their modified DuPont and $50 / hour with no degree of any kind.
     
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    I know refinery work is extremely dangerous. Texas has a loose regulatory environment where it is very accessible to permit new polluting facilities and very challenging to get fined for violations. The workers are put at more risk of injury or death because of it.

    What I do know is that there are tons of guys working out in the field or in the compressor shops being worked like slaves 50 to 60 hours a week most of the year. Most of those guys are lucky to get two days off a week once or twice a month. They have no choice other than starting a new career. They can be worked 12 days straight. It's terrible for people with families, and a hard life, but working people like that is legal in Texas.

    You think those guys start off with 4-6 weeks vacations and benefits like many countries? LOL. Nope. They are lucky to get 2;weeks a year. I had a friend who was an iron worker in Houston and moved back to Scotland. He said they had lots more breaks, much longer lunches, and far better working hours.

    Texas is among worst states in U.S. for workers. We are ranked 48th in the nation

    The Lone Star State fared poorly in all three categories: wages, worker protections and organizing rights.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/tex...in-us-for-workers-study-finds/?outputType=amp
     
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    You left out the part of how he covered up the shirt before the photo. Kid did it for attention. Beto's a good guy, and actually cares about people, unlike Greg Abbott. That slime bag needs to go. Texas would be so much better without Ted Cruz, Paxton, Abbott, and the rest of the GOP making decisions.

     
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    Beto is getting MASSIVE crowds - those millennials at university are not in the polls if they vote they will change everything.

    DD
     
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    He got big crowds and youth excitement and raised lots of money in 2018 and still lost to the most unpopular guy in the Senate.

    Maybe the political environment is way too tilted to Republicans or maybe Beto has reached his ceiling but this is a big problem
    If Texas Democrats can’t defeat an incompetent and corrupt GOP block.
     
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