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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Contributing Member

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    Yuck, if you have an oximeter, I'd measure that before you sleep just for a little peace of mind.

    Unknown hard-to-diagnose complications are ****.
     
  2. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    for this particular one... paper --> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02001-z

    "Because we aimed to examine outcomes at 12 months, our cohorts were enrolled before 15 January 2021 (before SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were widely available in the US), and less than 1% of people in the COVID-19 group and contemporary control group were vaccinated before T0.

    The risks were evident in all examined subgroups and were evident even in people who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the disease."


    Basically, this study is among 99% UN-vaccinated. And yes, there is an elevated risk among all, but there is a huge difference between non-hospitalized and hospitalized. Covid absolutely messes with your "brain", but the risks are not as high as this study (or report of it) indicates TODAY with the population mostly vaccinated and new boosters available (likely yearly).

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  3. Commodore

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    But what about da Monkees pox
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Good
     
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    I'm curious to numbers of the vaccinated with COVID vs. unvaccinated with COVID and its effect on life expectancy over time. I'm sure there will be a significant difference. Unfortunately, I had COVID before I was eligible for vaccination.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    Bro - you are relatively reasonable - compared to the fringe left crowd here. That's although I know you are in some way linked to R95.

    So I recommend: Don't **** with me. Good luck.
     
  8. gifford1967

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    lol
     
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    Good for sure.
     
  10. Commodore

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    "it's what we have to do"

    chilling statement

     
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    It's been obvious for a very long time that this pandemic will not end until everyone gets it...
    Mitigation strategies should always and mostly were based on a case by case/regional strategy. Lots of people died..
     
  12. Deckard

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    This won't make anyone feel better. It's an anecdote about a friend, "inspired' by some of the posts about the long term effects of Covid that can happen to some people, both young and old, none of which I hope impacts you, @dobro1229, as I'm very sorry to hear about the aftereffects of your bout with the virus (I've had pneumonia before, and it can be frightening).

    He's younger than I am, in his late 60's, and had been having problems with the circulation in his lower legs, brought on by diabetes. It had been well under control for years, then he got Covid. He had had a full range of vaccinations and boosters, even participating in a long term study through UT's medical branch (or whatever they call it here) in Austin, along with his wife.

    Despite all that, he caught Covid, probably because he stopped wearing a mask. I ran into him twice where he was mixing with the public, his wife wearing a mask when he wasn't. I thought it reckless at the time due to his health issues. Well, as I said, he caught it, as did his wife, naturally, and while her symptoms were not serious, his were. They dragged on, even though, like you, he took Paxlovid and did whatever else the UT people might have suggested, and he had very good medical care from his physician and from specialists. A retired state executive, like my significant other, he has excellent insurance.

    Should have taken care of it, given time, right? Sadly, Covid had a serious impact on his diabetes and particularly on that circulation issue with his legs. 10 days ago, he had his left leg amputated below the knee, despite extensive efforts to save it with arterial transplants. There's hope that they might be able to save the other lower leg. He's been having a tough time, being in and out of the hospital. It's depressing. Everyone should take this virus seriously.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    Thanks Deck and sorry to hear about your friend. So correct about everyone having a wake up call this fall like I’ve just gotten. Learn from me and go get booster asap and maybe throw a mask on when you know you’ll be in a “virusy” area at least.

    Paxlovid did a phenomenal job of wiping out the virus in just 3 days mind you. I tested negative 4 days after and was basically free to go about my life. But what the docs and everyone have said is happening which is happening to me with Omnicron is the immune response creates this horrible dry cough that goes on for weeks and creates fluid sacs in your lungs ripe for pneumonia. The other issue a lot of people are having (that I don’t believe is affecting me… hopefully) is fluid sacs in the heart. I don’t think the docs really understand what that means yet but it’s definitely a thing.

    So yeah I encourage everyone to jump on this before the fall. I’m going to get vaxxed again next week for flu and covid even though I just had it. Taking no more chances getting it again while my lungs are torn to shreds.
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Everyone has already had it… a lot twice. If you’ve had no symptoms you are lucky. We are pretty much in a hope and pray mode for a super dominant variant to take over that is even more and more mild than Omnicron and make the virus much less lethal. I say pray because virologists will tell you it’s not really a given that any variant will be less intense because by default it’ll likely have a higher viral load. But at least we have some hope given that Omnicron was less deadly than Delta and Delta was less deadly than Alpha… but you never know.

    But yeah it’s already endemic. However that doesn’t mean we don’t need better systematic mitigation efforts.
     
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  15. rocketsjudoka

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    The idea that the next variant is going to be less deadly is largely a crapshoot. Mutation isn’t a guided process but random and viruses are constantly mutating. The idea is that viruses become more contagious but less lethal over time is because it means they spread easier than more lethal versions. There may be something there to the latest variants but I’m not sure that’s definitively proven.

    It’s also likely that so many have had it and / or also vaccinated now that there is some level of herd immunity.
     
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  16. Amiga

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    If you just had covid, you might want to wait a bit longer before getting the covid booster (new or old). Talk to your dr about it.

    If You Just Had COVID, Here's When To Get The New Booster Shot | HuffPost Life

    The official guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that vaccinated people can wait two months after a COVID shot to get their booster. And the Food and Drug Administration authorized the bivalent booster in people who are at least two months out from their most recent COVID vaccination.

    For those who were recently sick with COVID, though, both Ogbuagu and Dr. Andy Pekosz, co-director of the Center of Excellence for Influenza Research and Response at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said you need to wait two months for the bivalent shot, but can choose to wait up to three months.

    So, if you’re looking for a hard and fast rule, it’s safe to say you should wait two months after infection (or vaccination) to get your new shot.

    Some experts, however, think you can actually wait longer. “There are some immunologists that think spacing that booster out longer might help generate longtime immunity,” Pekosz said. An infection should give you pretty good protection for four to six months, which means you probably don’t need to take the booster shot before then, he said.

    But although immunity can last for four to six months in many people, that is not always the case, Ogbuagu said.

    Ogbuagu agreed with the CDC’s guidance and noted that data has shown that immunity wanes in some people, particularly if they had a mild illness, before the two-month mark. While this is a rare occurrence, a Danish study from earlier this year did find that a small number of people were reinfected 20 to 60 days after their initial COVID infection. And there’s some evidence suggesting that newer subvariants can circumvent natural immunity more quickly.

    “Anyone who recovered from COVID certainly can consider delaying vaccination, but I don’t think they need to wait as far out as three months,” Ogbuagu said.

    Since the shot is so new, guidance varies and it may differ from person to person. If you were recently infected, you should wait at least two months after your infection to schedule your shot — and you can consider waiting up to six months. If you want specific guidance based on your personal health records, get in touch with your doctor.
     
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  17. AroundTheWorld

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    I'm glad Paxlovid worked so well for you. In my opinion, it should be made available to as many people as possible.
     
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  18. tinman

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    so this is what i've been doing and i've never gotten covid , and the other people i know who do this never got it either
    regardless of vaccination status. I do this because of Allergies mainly

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/09/220913110403.htm

    Twice-daily nasal irrigation reduces COVID-related illness, death, study finds
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    Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University
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    Starting twice daily flushing of the mucus-lined nasal cavity with a mild saline solution soon after testing positive for COVID-19 can significantly reduce hospitalization and death, researchers report.
     
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  19. Deckard

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    Got more bad news about our friend. They had to take the upper part of the same leg. It's been a nightmare for him and his family.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Damn sorry to hear that
     
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