Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

DeSantis flunks American history test with nonsensical slavery rant



He delivered those demonstrably false remarks with all the confidence of a seventh-grade student bluffing their way through a class presentation.

Everything you just heard is white supremacist garbage that’s quite easy to dispel, which makes the fact that DeSantis is spouting it all the more sinister. The enslaved people being raped, beaten and worked to death undoubtedly questioned slavery at the time.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/reidout/blog/rcna49157

 

Ooooh, Snap!

 

We have got to stop elevating the ignorant and stupid in this country.

DD

 

DeSantis appears to be doing a good job with preparing FL for hurricane Ian but this is more of what is problematic about him. He’s wasting state resources on stunts and built his brand around vague and controversial moves. He does appear to be a a capable administrator and one who could donnish to unite than divide.

 

Imagine what that 2m could do to rebuild Florida instead of sending immigrants to Martha's vineyard.

DD

 

Not much, but it's a total waste of tax money.

 

Bro if this stunt cost 2 million that's insane return on investment from a "getting attention' standpoint

 

I don't understand your rant. What exactly did you disagree with?
America did not start the abolishonist movement. I disagree with that.
Slavery was a hot topic at the time. There were even women's movements. Yes the Constitution was written for everyone, including slaves. But like many, you're dismissing States Rights and pretend it didn't exist. The Federal Government had very little power at the time. You would know this if you actually studied American History. It wasn't until after the Civil War did the federalist win out and the authoritarian regime stepped in.

 

Ahhh but now he has made one big mistake....

He has gotten the attention of the Orange one and now we will really see where the republican party stands or the Trump party....

Will they follow DeSantis or OrangeMan...

T_Man

 

Okay

 

I did some quick calculations and those 50
People could’ve gone from San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard for about $24,000 or 1/25th of the price that was paid for.

 

What’s wrong with DeSantis’ take is that no one was questioning slavery until the American revolution. There were plenty of people questioning slavery before including the slaves themselves. Also groups like Quakers were against slavery and in the Uk in the 1755’s there were already legal cases regarding the whether slaves could be kept.

Also the US government didnt become an authoritarian regime post Civil War while the Federal government was greatly strengthened in relation to the states suffrage was and individual rights were greatly expanded.

 

Videographers are expensive.

 

I think it shows the headspace someone like @Space Ghost is in where he believes states losing rights to enslave individuals is more authoritarian

 

That's why I looked up the company he's paying those ridiculous amounts. No surprise, he's a loyal supporter with ties to Gaetz and DeSantis.

 

Yes I posted about that in the "Solving Illegal Immigration" thread and saw you posted about it too.

 

Yeah, it said a slave was 3/5ths of a person.

As others have pointed out, he claims way too much credit for the constitution sowing doubt into the foundations of slavery (apart from abolitionists mentioned, the catholic church also condemned slavery and there wasn't much slavery in the spanish-speaking new world) -- which I might forgive if he wasn't speaking specifically about the teaching of history in school and arguing that the 1619 Project was misconstruing the history. If you're going to throw stones, you need to be very meticulous to make sure every historical claim you then make is footnoted up the wazoo.

I do think DeSantis alludes to a truth he could have used. That there are ideals in the constitution about the rights of people that were later leveraged by the abolitionist and later civil rights movements to win equal treatment. The Constitution provided the framework and language to define the evil of slavery. The abolitionist movement didn't win out by appealing to the arguments of the Jesuits or English abolitionists but to the ideals of Americans, the theology of American Protestantism, and to the Constitution. But the way DeSantis ends up talking about it -- "no one" had the language to define slavery as a problem until the Constitution was ratified -- shows his lens even if you understand he's implicitly limiting himself to the American context. "No one" with the means to create political change or record their political beliefs, he means. "No one" among white men, he means.

Of course you're right about states rights. The federal government didn't have the power to stop the southern states from having slavery. The Constitution is a compromise in which they traded slavery for unity. But given the other compromises of the ideal in the Constitution -- denying the franchise to Native Americans, to women, and to the landless -- I don't think the founding fathers thought slavery was all that much to give up either.

 

If the Democrats have the better candidate or they have a good economy they can make it "close", but I agree that Florida isn't a purple state and the Democrats are putting too much effort into it. The problem with Rubio is that his own party has emasculated him.

As for DeSantis, he has done a good job wrapping up support from non political voters.

 

Not to mention that other nations had technically ended slavery decades earlier in the 19th century and this type of information was deliberately withheld to keep American slaves ignorant of such global news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery-idUSL1561464920070322

Following are some key dates in the trans-atlantic trade in slaves from Africa and its abolition.

1444 - First public sale of African slaves in Lagos, Portugal

1482 - Portuguese start building first permanent slave trading post at Elmina, Gold Coast, now Ghana

1510 - First slaves arrive in the Spanish colonies of South America, having travelled via Spain

1518 - First direct shipment of slaves from Africa to the Americas

1777 - State of Vermont, an independent Republic after the American Revolution, becomes first sovereign state to abolish slavery

1780s - Trans-Atlantic slave trade reaches peak

1787 - The Society for the Abolition of the Slave Trade founded in Britain by Granville Sharp and Thomas Clarkson

1792 - Denmark bans import of slaves to its West Indies colonies, although the law only took effect from 1803.

1807 - Britain passes Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, outlawing British Atlantic slave trade.

- United States passes legislation banning the slave trade, effective from start of 1808.

1811 - Spain abolishes slavery, including in its colonies, though Cuba rejects ban and continues to deal in slaves.

1813 - Sweden bans slave trading

1814 - Netherlands bans slave trading

1817 - France bans slave trading, but ban not effective until 1826

1833 - Britain passes Abolition of Slavery Act, ordering gradual abolition of slavery in all British colonies. Plantation owners in the West Indies receive 20 million pounds in compensation

- Great Britain and Spain sign a treaty prohibiting the slave trade

1819 - Portugal abolishes slave trade north of the equator

- Britain places a naval squadron off the West African coast to enforce the ban on slave trading

1823 - Britain’s Anti-Slavery Society formed. Members include William Wilberforce

1846 - Danish governor proclaims emancipation of slaves in Danish West Indies, abolishing slavery

1848 - France abolishes slavery

1851 - Brazil abolishes slave trading

1858 - Portugal abolishes slavery in its colonies, although all slaves are subject to a 20-year apprenticeship

1861 - Netherlands abolishes slavery in Dutch Caribbean colonies

1862 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln proclaims emancipation of slaves with effect from January 1, 1863; 13th Amendment of U.S. Constitution follows in 1865 banning slavery

1886 - Slavery is abolished in Cuba

1888 - Brazil abolishes slavery

1926 - League of Nations adopts Slavery Convention abolishing slavery

1948 - United Nations General Assembly adopts Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including article stating “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

https://communityliteracy.org/why-did-it-take-2-years-for-the-slaves-in-texas-to-be-freed/



Remember the Alamo folks.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/146405





Constitution of Texas (1845)