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Black Player's White Teammates In Little League World Series Putting Cotton In His Hair

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Aug 30, 2022.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    My question is, why are you defending a document that has all of the above. Would you not agree that as a whole the document is at least misleading, if not terribly racist against non-white people?
     
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    I have disagreements with parts and understanding of parts.

    I don't agree that it is racist against non-whites.
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't agree with everything in the infographic, but a lot of it is associated with White culture. Which ultimately defined American culture. I'm not sure how to explain it further nor do I see how the association is racist against nonwhites. I'm not following your logic there. Associations with one culture is independent of other cultures.

    Again laws are a very small part of racial bias. But yes the legal system is biased against blacks and there's plenty of data to show that. It's not a function of the law making process only, but the fact that the law is practiced and executed by humans, who are the ones who have bias in them. There's no simple way to fix it by saying the solution is for everyone to simply stop being biased.
     
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    You're not getting it, and that's why it seems bizarre. You're forming judgements and making assumptions here, and that's why it seems crazy. I can see your perspective, and yes, from that perspective it does look crazy.

    But it's not the correct perspective. That argument isn't that the scientific method is an "aspect" of whiteness or "white culture" - that's what's tripping you up. That's not the issue. It's not about putting less emphasis or getting rid of the scientific method. Anyone who says that is extreme. But that's not what the infographic that you posted is trying to say.
     
  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    What parts do you agree with? What parts do you disagree with. I think the very nature of it is grotesque.
    How am I not getting it? Is me not getting it a problem with me (a pretty intelligent person (at least as measured by reasonable testing), and well educated) or the message? I would say the message of the infographic is that the things contained therein are somehow associated with white people or whiteness (ie that the traits/values therein are more associated with white people than non-white people). If that is not the case (ie. it is associated with white people, but also everyone else) then it is meaningless.
    That is explicitly what is in the infographic. It is literally a list of aspects and assumptions of white culture and one of the primary headings is "Emphasis on the Scientific Method" with bullet points of: "Objective, rational linear thinking," though I would put another comma between rational and linear, "cause and effect relationships," and "Quantitative emphasis." No reasonable reading of this document would not associate those traits with whiteness or white culture. Any attempt to try is just cover for whoever propounded such bullshit.
     
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    The chart is trying to show the associations of white culture that are used to exclude and feel superiority over other cultures - yes, totally. I have had people tell me, "well Europeans developed the scientific method, so you should be grateful for that" (I got my degree in physics). So that association is very real and significant, and used to elevate oneself over others. It's not saying the scientific method is racist because it comes from white culture, it's trying to say that the fact that it came from Europeans is used as a symbol of superiority.

    Does that make more sense now?
     
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    I took a look at the infographic again and reread the Sun Article. It’s a fact that the Scientific Method was developed from philosophical logic and empiricism as understood by European philosophers and that our jurisprudence does come from Britain so yes those could be called whiteness. It’s a facts that Chinese invented Confucianism and paper money so those could be called “Asianness”.

    That doesn’t mean that others not of those groups can’t use those techniques or that they are inherently bad or good just that those did come from those groups and as such as defined the thought of those groups. I think the infographic is saying that to be though provoking about what defines a racial identity and questioning how those thing came to be. Not saying that those should be rejected as being racist.
     
  8. Nook

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    Yes. HISD until high school and then Strake Jesuit.
     
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  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I as a black person fully accept America's success is based on European values. That's not a criticism of Black people

    I think primary education doesn't focus on Asian countries but this country's history is based on Western civilization primarily. The school system has priorities
     
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