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Conservative vs Liberal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Aug 19, 2022.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Here is one of the best definitions of the difference I have seen.




    GOP = Me First, Selfish, Money over People
    DEM = We First, Sharing, Society over Money

    That is how I see it, anyone else think differently?

    DD
     
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  2. Reeko

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    seems like facts to me

    if I only cared about myself and no one else, then all the lying, corruption, and foolishness from the republican party would be whatever to me
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Dem: steal from people that who productive, give to people who aren't.
    GOP: steal (a bit less) from people who are productive, give to donors.
    What it should be: don't steal from anyone.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    As long as those productive people don't hire anyone like engineers who got their education through publicly funded education, don't use public roads to transfer the products and services, don't use government to protect their property and don't use any utility lines that used tax payer funds to build.
     
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  5. fchowd0311

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    A good test of whether a capitalist's productivity can be replicated in a unstable market with no social and physical infrastructure provided by an organized government funded by tax revenue, just try to sell their product and services as a test run in a place like Somalia and only hire from that country. See how that works. If they can replacate success there they can come back to the US and explain how they don't need to pay taxes to operate a successful business.
     
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    Going with your liberal usage of "steal": Go live on a remote island without any government to avoid stealing from anyone.
     
  7. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    No one is purely conservative or liberal.

    Today GOP aren't conservative.
     
  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    What percentage of federal income tax receipts do you imagine are spent on roads, electrical infrastructure, police departments, and schools?
     
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    Not enough. Let's cut the defense budget by half. It's bloated.
     
  10. Andre0087

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    That sounds like a load of bullshit...

    Dems: Help folks
    GOP: Go and die already
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    More like GOP: go and die already but make sure to leave some babies behind... Preferably white and definitely not gay.
     
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  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You are right, the English was terrible, it should have read:
    Dem: steal from people who are productive, give to people who aren't.
    GOP: steal (a bit less) from people who are productive, give to donors.
    What it should be: don't steal from anyone.
    I agree. The defense budget should be cut in half. We already spend more than the next 20 nations combined. If we cut the defense budget in half we would still spend much more than the next country (China). Cutting the defense budget is not enough though. We also need to cut everything else. Cutting every department by 50% would be a good start, but some things shouldn't exist at all.
    I think you are confused; the Dems are the ones that want to kill a million human lives every year.
     
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    [​IMG]

    I'm more of a smackdown guy myself
     
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    Terribly divisive and ignorant thread. Go back to broadcasting or whatever you did the other day.
     
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  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    My degree is broadcast journalism for sure.

    I see what is going on as selfish people vs charitable folks.

    DD
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Charitable people are charitable of their own volition. Democrats are charitable with other people's money. It is not the same.
     
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    Lol dumb video.

    I can summarize this in 1 sentence.

    conservatives love American. Liberals want to get rid of all the white people.
     
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    I would put it more like this:

    “Conservatives” care about preservation of social hierarchy and protecting the interests of people who have money/power over those who don’t.

    “Liberals” care about protecting or helping those who are disempowered.

    That isn’t to say that you can’t have a conservative who is personally charitable, or a liberal who personally seeks to protect their own considerable financial interests. These labels are less about how one conducts their personal business than how they think the society as a whole should be organized.
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Either way it breaks down to ME first vs WE first.

    DD
     
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    In the classic sense "Conservative" was about supporting long standing principles and power structures. As such original Conservatives were people who supported things like monarchy and the church. "Liberals" were the ones more interested in individual liberties and as such it was previous Conservatives who were more about state power and Liberals about individual freedom. In modern times that has gotten mixed up with things like Laissez-Faire economics and Socialism changing attitudes regarding the state and individual. That is why we have the sitaution of cultural issues mixed with financial and business freedoms of current Conservatives and a greater interest in state power in the economy while personal freedoms culturally among Liberals.

    I think a lot of the problems in our politics and the odd coalitions within our two major political parties is due to fundamental conflicts within what is a Conservative and what is a Liberal. A Christian Conservative in both the classic sense and really what the Bible teaches should be more like Pope Francis or William Jennings Bryant, someone who has very devout religious and culture beliefs but also believes in government regulation of the economy to help the poor and distrubute resources equitably. A Liberal should be someone who believes there is a right to abortion, anyone can marry anyone and mar1juana should be legal and that government should play a very limited role in the economy.
     
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