Can this basically be interpreted as "does well when the playmaker is a superstar, doesn't do well in a system like GS?" ...because we have neither a superstar floor general nor the players of GS's caliber.
Warriors seem to turn all trash into gold as they did with Wiggins. So it's odd that WCS didn't do better.....but then again, did anyone see how he did with Kings....how much he improved from that? I'm sure you are just playing around when you suggest that the Warriors have a system and Silas with Mavs did not. Both had players that demanded the gravity of the defense in Doncic and Curry..... Edited: Curry was injured that season. (5 games played 19/20...Klay was out too ) No, I think this is a message being sent to Garuba. Play or we may be moving on. An injury in Pre Season by Garuba may see him go bye-bye. It was suggested that the Rockets wanted to pursue a center in free agency; But I think the main centers wanted multi year contracts. Rockets want more of a rental until they can secure Myles Turner or draft Wembanyama, Kel'el Ware or Dereck Lively next year. Whoever the backup is.....they are more than likely just buying time.
Wiggins isn't trash. He's a solid NBA player - just not #1 overall pick worthy, so he got hate from that. Dude just needed to be in a situation where he's not expected to be the franchise cornerstone, and he found that with GS. The Warriors absolutely have a system, and it's why Curry can have an off-day yet the Warriors still win easily. If Doncic has an off day, the Mavs' chances at winning diminish greatly. Curry and Doncic do command a lion's share of the defensive gameplan - you're not wrong, there. But while the Mavs live and die with how Doncic plays, the Warriors don't live and die with how Curry plays.
How much weight do you put on the Warriors having 4 All Stars most years into correlation with Doncic not having 3 to 4 All Stars most years? No Curry and No Klay......how well did that SYSTEM look? Oh yeah, they didn't make the playoffs. Put Doncic with Klay, Draymond, Durant, Harrison Barnes, Iggy and Steph Curry all by himself on the Mavericks....see how that looks.
I'm not familiar with him but it seems to me like he's going to be playing for his pro basketball life! If he can't get backup minutes here and show any promise of his original potential then he'll probably be out of the league for good. Either way figure it's worth a look. Either he gets it or he doesn't. 2024 will be the season we need the real answer to the big question as far as I'm concerned.
Plan? The guy has an unguaranteed contract. He has a major uphill gauntlet to overcome v Bruno (& Chriss) to get to Boban then Garuba.
WCS is one of those guys where you can look at the stats, highlight videos, and age and think he's the answer. But then he's not.
WCS is a bonafide scrub. I expect Garuba and Bruno to both beat him out handily. (WCS is a great training camp dummy for Sengun to abuse though...)
To the bolded part: What are you even arguing, here? Yeah, not making the playoffs tends to happen when your two best players and/or your two top scorers are out for a very long time. In fact, name the last time a team made it to the playoffs with their two best players out for the majority of a season. To the non-bolded parts: You're now talking about roster construction instead of the system. Obviously, GS's roster is better than Dallas' and at this point in time, most people would rather have 23 year old Doncic than 34 year old Steph. Doesn't change the fact that Luka is ball-dominant and the whole team revolves around him, whereas the Warriors don't revolve around one single person. Without Steph in the lineup, the Warriors still look and play like the Warriors. Without Luka in the lineup, the Mavs look like a completely different team. That's what I mean by system vs not a system. Just like with the Duncan/Parker/Ginobili Spurs, GS doesn't need one single superstar who does everything (Doncic, Rockets' Harden, LeBron) and fit role players around that superstar like the Mavs are doing. So then, like the Spurs, you can insert players into GS' roster and they'll probably get the most out of you. When you talk about all stars, I think you're trying to argue the merits of Steph vs Luka or who's better or whatever, when that's not what this discourse is about.
Your argument about WCS not doing well in a system,.....did anyone do well in that system without Curry/Klay? Not a valid discussion as the variables were tainted. Draymond doesn't create the same gravity on the defense without Curry/Klay. Do you understand.....Warriors were 30th in ORtg and 26th in DRtg that season with a record of 15-50. Stats from that team are not exactly evidence accessible in this court of opinion. I just needed to show stats in the same season from which WCS came from ---> then Mavs.
He should have to earn it. If he can't beat out scrubs like WCS and Boban, he doesn't deserve to be in the NBA. If he keeps showing up out of shape and getting hurt every other day, he doesn't belong in the NBA. That's why I'm not holding my breath when it comes to Garuba.
Thats valid, but nobody really knows what we have with Garuba yet ... EVERYONE knows what guys like Boban, WCS, Chriss, Fernando, Burke and Brown bring to the table. I'd rather see if Garuba CAN develop into anything sooner rather than later so that if he's a miss you can move him and keep looking. Now if any of those JAG vets come out blazing and make themselves necessary then by all means play them, but if the thinking is that this year may be a quasi tank/developmental year not sure how that helps the long term approach.
