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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

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  1. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    Read the FBI's search warrant for documents at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort (nbcnews.com)

    Receipt shows that they recovered multiple boxes of Miscellaneous "Top Secret" documents. An astounding success, for an alleged fishing expedition. I wonder what the chances are they would have recovered such documents if they did the same thing with other ex-Presidents.
     
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    More at link
     
  3. Salvy

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    They were fishing for something they probably didn't even know what when they entered....

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    And the best they have given us is, "stolen classified docs" but we cant tell you about what or what because its super duper classified...
     
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  4. CCorn

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    What they were looking for was outlined in the warrant.
     
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    FranchiseBlade Contributing Member
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    Yes. That is the nature of classified documents. What is your confusion about security clearance?
     
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    Something 'seems off'?

    So rather than go with facts and evidence you go with what 'seems off' to you?

    They won't be saying it pertains to. That's not how security clearance works. Especially if any of them are Top Secret.
     
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    They're not going to explicitly state the contents of classified materials (bc you know, security clearances and all) in search warrant document that'll be released to the public. Serious question, are you dumb or just really stupid?
     
  8. Salvy

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    What evidence have you seen of the classified docs? Post links please...
     
  9. El_Conquistador

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    Amazing how you accept this with literally zero evidence provided. And no chance you even know what Top Secret even means. My gosh people are gullible. I do take pride in the fact that we have created a society in which even those without critical thinking skills can enjoy at least some quality of life. Proud of that fact.
     
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    Jeez. The JFK stuff has nothing to do with Trump.

    And we do know something about the documents seized. Top Secret/SCI = compartmentalized info, mostly reserved for a small group of people who work with intelligence methods and such.

    Beyond that, the inventory does not give us much info, though paired with Trump's history and personality, it's perhaps enough to suggest he wanted info he could sell or use against people.

    Also, remember that soon after taking office and in response to 1/6, Biden denied Trump's access to intelligence briefings and other classified information generally provided to ex-Presidents.

    There's also the "read-outs" you get when leaving the government. It's essentially an exit briefing and applies to presidents as well as the lowest analyst. It's where you get told to continue to safeguard the nation's secrets and are made aware of the penalties for not doing so.
     
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  11. durvasa

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    The evidence is the receipt. Do you know what the word "evidence" means?

    It was explained above. What do you think it means?

    From what I've seen, your critical thinking skills are pretty poor. The character you've played on here over the years is entertaining, though.
     
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    I’m really shocked at the number of fascists amongst us.
     
  13. Os Trigonum

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    you can't know that for sure

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  14. DatRocketFan

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    Imagine asking for physical evidence of classified documents to verify its existence.

    They are classified documents which mean private citizens like u and me shouldn't b looking at it in the first place.

    Classified sht won't b on the internet for the public to see. Jeezus christ salvy love trump made him lose iq or something.

    What a dumb line of logic.
     
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  15. Os Trigonum

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    related:

    The U.S. Government Keeps Too Many Secrets
    American officials classify too much information, from the trivial to the politically inconvenient. The overreliance on secrecy invites abuse.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/us-government-has-secrecy-problem/599380/

    excerpt:

    That the U.S. government has a problem with classifying information—the process of identifying and protecting documents and discussions that must be kept secret to preserve national security—was established long before President Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal returned the subject to the headlines.

    Eight blue-ribbon U.S. government commissions have addressed the subject since World War II, Elizabeth Goitein, a veteran transparency advocate, told me. Each of them deemed that overclassification, as she put it, “is rampant.”

    Classifying information is a key part of how the U.S. government functions and is able to carry out sensitive tasks, but the problem is that too much national-security information—from the trivial to the politically inconvenient—gets labeled “confidential,” “secret,” or “top secret,” meaning that only those with the corresponding government clearance can access it. It’s understandable for missions such as the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden and for sensitive discussions about U.S. national-security or foreign policy. But then there’s also this, from a diplomatic cable in 2006:

    Dagestani weddings are serious business: a forum for showing respect, fealty and alliance among families; the bride and groom themselves are little more than showpieces. Weddings take place in discrete parts over three days. On the first day the groom’s family and the bride’s family simultaneously hold separate receptions. During the receptions the groom leads a delegation to the bride’s reception and escorts her back to his own reception, at which point she formally becomes a member of the groom’s family, forsaking her old family and clan. The next day, the groom’s parents hold another reception, this time for the bride’s family and friends, who can “inspect” the family they have given their daughter to. On the third day, the bride’s family holds a reception for the groom’s parents and family.
    That paragraph, found among the cables leaked by Chelsea Manning in 2010, was classified “confidential.” Disclosing it was technically a crime.

    Even U.S. intelligence officials have complained about the overclassification problem. “Everything’s secret,” Michael Hayden, the former director of the CIA and NSA, once lamented. “I mean, I got an email saying, ‘Merry Christmas.’ It carried a Top Secret NSA classification marking.”

    ***
    Loch K. Johnson, a professor at the University of Georgia and one of America’s foremost scholars on intelligence, listed what he described as “genuine secrets”—things such as weapons specifications, identities of CIA agents, and surveillance capabilities. “Having said that, many classified documents—even ‘secret’ and ‘top secret’—are often improperly elevated to that level for no good reason, other than to catch the attention of readers higher up in the food chain or, sometimes, to cover up mistakes by making information about them hard to acquire,” Johnson told me in an email. “Democracy depends on openness in government activities, insofar as possible.”​

    more at the link
     
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  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I do. I had a DoD Top Secret security clearance for about 25 years before I retired.
     
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  17. DatRocketFan

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    They r alleging nuke documents. No one is gonna post the nuke documents for public to see.

    Bro just hit me up with your point and post a link. I don't need a barrage of copy and paste
     
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  18. durvasa

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    Trump's people maintain that the documents were all declassified. We will hopefully learn more in coming weeks/months whether that claim holds water.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    nobody here knows ANYTHING about what the documents are. No one.
     
  20. durvasa

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    I don't think they've said yet that the documents recovered were related to nuclear weapons. There was a leak (from an unknown source) that the search was in part motivated to find such documents.
     
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