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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

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  1. edwardc

    edwardc Member

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    Yeah i came to that conclusion too he 's just trolling around and bored.
     
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  2. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
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    you're a smart guy
     
  3. cml750

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    After the fabricated Russian collusion hoax, two ridiculous "trumped up" impeachments, and a Jan. 6th investigation that is going nowhere this is a "Hail Mary" attempt to find ANYTHING on Trump. Given every single leftist always calls him a criminal it is funny there has been absolutely nothing to pin on him yet. Maybe they will get him this time but given how every single thing they have tried so far has been a giant swing and a miss I doubt it.
     
  4. edwardc

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    Smart enough to know that 45 is bad for America and seeing that his supporters are just as bad.
     
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    This thread is a beating and the discourse is one of the reasons I dropped out of D&D for the most part.

    In the larger picture, I find it amazing that Fox News has done to my parents' generation and others what rock-and-roll and video games were supposed to do to mine. That is, make us stupid and violent.

    And yes, there is data, squishy as it may be, that supports that notion. There is also a mountain of anecdotal evidence from both academics and everyday folks who have lost friends and family to the predatory business model that is Fox News. It's not Conservative advocacy. The whole effort is to build and direct rage at the political opposition.

    There's always been polarization in this country, extremes on both sides. What Fox News did was start to cultivate that polarization on mass media by adding outrage and once outrage becomes a money-maker, you have to keep stoking it, keep upping the dose. We've gone from liberals were stupid and misguided on policy in the 1990s when Fox News started (after Reagan gave Murdoch citizenship so he could buy up media properties) to today where liberals are pedophiles and mortal enemies of America and everything bad can attributed to them. we've gone from Fox News repeating the talking points of Conservative politicians to amplifying the craziest crap from the most extreme sources on the internet. Fox News, once a mouthpiece for the Republican political establishment, now commands that political establishment through the outrage they serve the base. Add to Fox News the Limbaugh wannabes on AM radio and the odd gratification internet trolls seek and you have a truly toxic mix that makes it difficult to get anything done in this country. After all, you can't compromise with pedophiles and people who want to destroy your country. And if those others are causing harm to your country, then anything is allowed to make them stop, including violence.

    The constant outrage demand and fill also erodes one's critical thinking, allowing conspiracies to take hold. No doubt this video is edited for comedic effect, but still. How do you govern a country like the United States by making these kinds of people the key to your political success? These folks deserve our pity, for they are marks in a con (perhaps willingly), but they do not deserve our time. Arguing with them is futile, evidence means nothing as it can be dismissed with an appeal to conspiracy. They are immune to hypocrisy and contradiction. Their self-awareness has been so consumed and their ideology so entrenched that even though they walk outside everyday, they can't even acknowledge the climate has changed over their lifetime. Their understanding of the country is so far removed from our actual history and the meaning of the Constitution that it's like they are from another world. There are numerous psychological studies that show when confronted with reality, they will even more strongly reject that reality. (If you claim you are not one of these people, what on Earth are you doing hanging with them and allowing your party to become them?)

    The only thing to do and the only thing we should spend our time on is to beat them as often and severely as we can at the ballot box and keep trying to do the things we know will keep America great. As Lincoln said at Cooper-Union in what I think is the greatest speech in US history (his caps):

    (Of course, most Republicans will read that and think Lincoln is speaking to them about the evil Democrats, but go read the last third of the speech. Lincoln understood these folks.)

     
  6. ROXRAN

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    This exactly… ^
     
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  7. justtxyank

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    I assume you believe Clinton is not a criminal and that the stuff about them killing people is all fake since it's been investigated into the dirty, nothing has ever stuck against them, etc. etc.
     
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  8. Rashmon

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    I would agree with you about the troll, but then we'd both be wrong...
     
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  9. cml750

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    What investigations of them killing people are you talking about?
     
  10. CCorn

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    It doesn’t work that way. Hilary is a lying crook. Trump is the new Jesus. Read a book.
     
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  11. Os Trigonum

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    as luck would have it

    Turley:

    The Mar-a-Lago Raid: Criminal Prosecution or Political Indemnification?

    https://jonathanturley.org/2022/08/...nal-prosecution-or-political-indemnification/

    excerpt:

    Questions continue to grow over the necessity for the raid as opposed to the use of a subpoena or other means. According to the Trump counsel, the former president was given an earlier subpoena and complied with it and then voluntarily gave the FBI access to a storage area and agreed to add a specified lock on the room. It is not clear why a second subpoena would not have sufficed if there were other covered material under the Presidential Records Act.

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    There is a documented history of bias against Trump by top FBI officials, including prior falsification or misrepresentations used to facilitate the Russia conspiracy investigation. Thus, Attorney General Merrick Garland surely knew this raid would rekindle suspicions that this could be another example of what fired FBI official Peter Strzok once called an “insurance policy” against Trump becoming president in 2016 — only this time in 2024. For that reason, the Justice Department has an added burden to show this raid was a step toward actual criminal prosecution and not just a political indemnification.

    We will soon learn if a criminal case can be brought on the fruits of this search. Absent such charges, the empty safe at Mar-a-Lago could become the most indelible and embarrassing image since Al Capone’s safe.
    more at the link
     
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  12. Salvy

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    What crimes did he commit?
     
  13. jiggyfly

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    Why is the Praetorian Guard catching Gestapo and KGB strays?

    The PG was a personal defense force that had nothing really to do with ordinary citizens like the Gestapo and the KGB or the FBI.

    You all are really dumb ***** when it comes to actual history.
     
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  14. Salvy

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    Joe Biden and Hunter arent corrupt? He is fine thou because you agree with his politics..
     
  15. justtxyank

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    My take on this raid:
    - We don't know what they were looking for and what they took and we don't know what all occurred in the conversations/interactions between FBI and Team Trump leading up to it so I can't form a strong opinion.
    - If the FBI served a search warrant to a former POTUS in order to recoup some trivial documents, that will be a terrible look (and would be a bad thing)
    - The DOJ can't avoid discussing this. They just can't. It's too explosive. They have to comment or bring charges. It can't be a scenario where there are no charges to bring but they also won't comment on it.
     
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    Just pointing out the “Russia hoax” had 9 convictions and more than 20 indictments. The Durham investigation that was supposed to look into the origins of the Russian collusion had two indictments one that had to withdrawn.

    As noted earlier in both impeachments it was the first time a member of the President's own party voted to remove and the second impeachment 60 including 10 Republicans senators voted to remove
     
  17. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

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    Hunter is at best a recovering drug addict with shady business connections and at worst a drug addict with shady business dealings and a terrible person. He's also not president.
     
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    Hunter isn't in the government. So I'm not concerned with his corruption. I haven't seen any evidence of Joe's corruption. Please post it if you have it.
     
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  19. justtxyank

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    The "Russia hoax" also included a report that stated as fact several "allegations" that would be chargeable crimes if the subject wasn't POTUS. The idea they found "nothing" is totally bogus.
     
  20. Reeko

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    well said
     

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