"making an example of Jones." Seriously? No, they are attempting to punish him for putting the parents of an elementary child shot to death by a madman through a living hell by broadcasting the most egregious hurtful lies about not only their child, but about them. For years, because of the slander of Jones, they were harassed and threatened by "true believers" of Jones' lies, which he continued to pump out daily from his outlets, while he profited from the listeners stupid enough to believe him. Thanks to the shameful $750,000 cap on damages put in place by the Texas Republican legislature, the parents will end up getting a very small portion of the advertised millions Jones is supposed to pay. Jones got off easy in Texas. He won't get off easy in Connecticut, where the mass murder took place and several families are also suing him. I hope they bankrupt him. I also hope he goes to prison for perjury.
right, but they keep pressuring whatever service provider is hosting it to drop it you would think you'd want an idiot to keep talking and expose themselves, but the entrenched power structures want to silence him instead. Makes people curious... Jones gets plenty wrong, but no more than mainstream media (Russia collusion being the most egregious example). But he's directionally right about the existing corrupt power structures, and I like that he usually starts from a default position of questioning everything he is being shown/told. Most people don't take it that far (getting through life requires some degree of trust), but we need people like that as a check on the system. The documentary goes into his first deplatforming, when he was defending the Branch Davidians and condemning the actions of the FBI at Waco. The radio station told him to stop talking about that and he refused, so they fired him.
No we need real local journalists, but the right has waged war against them. We don’t need a crazy drunk uncle.
The desire to muzzle this guy isn’t because he’s exposing forbidden truths but because he is causing millions of his gullible followers to believe his nonsense (and I take it you’d agree that much of what he says is nonsense). Edward Snowden is another guy who exposes truths that the “deep state” would prefer to keep under wraps. And he comes across as far more rational and credible than Jones. Where is the big push for him to be kicked off of Twitter?
Jones better leave the country too before he’s forced to take a helicopter ride over the Gulf of Mexico for exposing the governments biggest secrets. str8 truth bombs
Snowden cares when he posts factually wrong tweets and his Brand makes people hold him accountable. He's also gotten a lot of heat for living in Russia, which wasn't a planned outcome. I still think the American people owe Snowden a large debt of gratitude as it's more than likely no admin will allow him to set foot on American soil as a free man. Being stateless probably has it's own mental health consequences, but he's a 100x better off than whatever **** Assange is going through now. 2000-2020 was an unreal era. Which is sad when you think folks like Alex Jones, self proclaimed patriots are enabled to lie, cheat, and steal as long as it doesn't hit the governments bottom line. We seriously have to revise the whistleblower protection laws. That whole transparency as sunshine phase didn't last that long.
Don't get me wrong. What Jones did wasn't nice. Just genuinely curious about the argumentation for that obscenely high money amount.
Jones gets way more wrong than the mainstream media and it isn't even close. He's also further removed from the truth when he does get it wrong.
I have other problems with Assaunge and Snowden but I don't see them deliberately profitting off of pushing falsehoods and peddling snake oil. Alex Jones admitted in divorce hearings admitted he plays a character that shouldn't be taken seriously. He admitted just last week that Sandy Hook happened. Like so many hucksters out there when actually pressed to tell the truth they tell a far different story than what they spout at other times. This isn't someone speaking truth to power. This is a con man ranting about lightning running through his veins to sell boner pills to the gullible.
NYT got WMDs in Iraq and Russia collusion stories completely wrong, with terrible consequences, and they are still held up as paragons of truth and win Pulitzer prizes (even for Russia collusion reporting!). Nothing Alex Jones has gotten wrong compares to that.
They also corrected their mistakes. Published those corrections. They had well positioned sources which corroborated those stories when they reported them. You have the chronology wrong. NYT didn't publish incorrect stories about WMD and then people decided to go to war with Iraq. It was the opposite. The administration decided they were going to go to war with Iraq and fed bad information which the NYT then published. Alex Jones pushed false narratives without well positioned sources and people followed his stories. Again, it isn't even close.
The NYT's bias/framing generally represents the center-left business class when it comes to economic and foreign policy issues. It's important for readers to be aware of this bias and where their ideological blinders may be, but that doesn't make their reporting worthless. Their readership is diverse and international, and they care about their journalistic reputation with this readership, which means there is some accountability to truth. Hence, they have been forthright in acknowledging errors and their lack of skepticism (as in the case of the US push to war in the aftermath of 9/11). The Times has done some excellent war reporting, often uncovering uncomfortable facts about the impact of our war-making on civilians in other countries. The situation is totally different with Jones. Journalistic standards do not apply to him, and his audience doesn't much care about it. He is not held accountable to telling the truth, except when he gets sued, at which point he (or his lawyers) will acknowledge that he's not to be taken seriously. This wouldn't matter all that much if he wasn't so influential and so effective at promoting irrational, conspiratorial, and hateful thinking.
How do you even debate this nonsense?? Like you are straight up living in a simulated fantasy land void of any semblance of reality. Here's a one line summary of these most bizarre takes: -The Bush Admin lied about WMD's. The NYT reported bad information too, but you are kind of letting alot of people off the hook by randomly going at the NYT in a vacuum. -The Trump campaign had EXTENSIVE communications & ties to Russians and in some cases the Kremlin itself (see Trump Tower Moscow). You are just living in a fantasy world if you want to continue to lie to yourself and everyone here acting like crap like this simply doesn't exist: http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/12/18/attachment.1.pdf -Alex Jones is wrong about freaking everything all the damn time. The guy believes in F-ing Lizard people, and says that Obama is a LITERAL demon. This is 75% of his show and 24% of it is selling snake oil supplements. The other 1% might or might not be classified as "news". I mean of all the people to come out here and defend this one here is a pretty mind boggling hill to die on. The guy even said himself in his divorce proceedings that nobody should take him seriously, and that he's basically just an actor yet here you are not even listening to the man himself, and trying to rationalize your nutso beliefs that Alex Jones panders to in order to sell you whey infused muscle mass pomegranate extract seeds from Zimbabwe.
We shouldn't take the bait here on the NYT and WMD's. It lets the most egregious offenders off the hook when we go down that road. The NYT is a business trying to sell political news, and updates to economic, weather, pop culture, etc. The NYT was fooled into believing senior officials at the Pentagon under the W admin, and ran the stories as vetted news. Shame on the NYT, but it lets those war criminals in the Pentagon and in the White House off the hook for committing the act of lying our country into a 20 year war.
I expect politicians to lie or distort the truth in order to achieve their policy aims. We can look back 20 years and try to sort who is most to blame for what happened. The way to not let them off the hook before the damage is done is by having influential journalistic institutions, like the NYT, do their job and keep them honest.
So you still all in on Snowden when he was little more than a patsy for Putin? He got played and even then went to Putin for cover, but for some reason he is a hero?
