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To extend KPJ or not?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. theDude

    theDude Contributing Member
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    He called Wood part of the core, then promptly traded him.

    KJM, also part of the proclaimed core, has since asked to be traded.

    Stone’s “core” label appears to be a kiss of death.
     
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  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Ok, so he called Wood that - doesn't mean anything in regards to KPJ......

    You guys just don't like KPJ....bummer that you have to actively root against a Rocket's player.

    DD
     
  3. DatRocketFan

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    Coming from u thats rich. Calling the kettle black.
    Folks said the same thing to anti green Folks early on the season last year.

    I honestly don't think kpj is as bad as folk r saying but it would b nice for someone to put up concise data on how good he is at his role.

    Folks likes to say he had good assist and turnover ratio, but forget to mention his lack of actual point guard vision and ability to distribute the ball in different ways.

    R his stats empty like wood? All i know is he needs to work on his free throw and actual playmaking ability.
    It would b cool to see the offense run through sengun, cause that man can set his teammate up.

    Personally my eye test for kpj is that hes lacking as a pg to warrant max
     
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  4. Corrosion

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    This might be your worst take in recent memory.

    None of us are "actively rooting against KPJ" .... I think we'd all love to see him succeed.

    When I've made statements about him, it has been strictly about his play and supported by numbers - I have never made mention of his off court issues.
    When you boil down the numbers, KPJ has been inefficient and overall mediocre on the leagues worst team.

    That's what the numbers bear but some people push this narrative that a small sample size or a flash of a single game matter more to the context of the conversation.

    Yes, he scored 50/10 ... now what did he do in the other 86 games as a Rocket?

    He's averaged 15 & 6 on terrible efficiency.

    Yes, he hit 48.2% of his catch and shoot 3's on a sample size of 114 total shots, now what did he do on the other 299 3 pointers taken over the course of the season?

    He shot an underwhelming .334 on those other 299 3's.

    How about we get to the turnovers - 192 of them, an average of 3.14 per game and a woeful assist to turnover ratio of 1.95:1 for a lead guard.


    Right now, I might extend him at MLE money which is roughly equal to his cap hold of $9.65m and if he refused, I'd gamble and let him become RFA and match if the price is right. There's no rush to lock up mediocrity with 25% of your cap space.
    If Porter wants to get paid this offseason, he's got to become more efficient, and it has to contribute to winning games. They have to win 30+
     
  5. Verbal Christ

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    Anger the Scooter Haters Hour



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  6. Verbal Christ

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    Sheeeeeeeeeesh! Effortless!

     
  7. Verbal Christ

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    Been a problem since high school (in more than one way hee hee!)

     
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  8. ApacheWarrior

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    Wall and Porter 20/21 numbers.

    You are comparing a Mavs team that had an established offense that
    wasn't tanking and had a totally different Pace. Rockets were 2nd in PACE
    while the Mavs were 30th.

    Spacing was the biggest factor dictating everything. If you think Brunson
    would average numbers anywhere close to what he averaged while
    with the Mavs this season then you don't know anything about basketball.
    Vanilla offense (which Silas threw out there) means the defense doesn't
    have to do anything special to guard use, either.

    20 points, 5.5 rebs, 7.8 Asts, 2.3 TOV's, 34 Ast% are the numbers i predict
    from Porter this year as a rising boat lifts all tides.....meaning
    the maturation of all players on the team also improve the
    play of Porter, will bring Porter the contract I'm talking about.

    Book it. What is your prediction on his numbers? We will see who's right?
    All we can do is wait and see.

    Edited: yeah for some reason he went off on Utah in the Playoffs. Doncic missed 3 of
    those games.
     
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  9. Corrosion

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    Yep, the numbers bear that out - he was a solid passer.

    Now do the same thing for ball security.
     
  10. Verbal Christ

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    Combo guards for the win! Purists in dismay!


     
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  11. Verbal Christ

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    Lets just focus on the negative because well this is Clutch Fans!! I'll try to use the same basic logic that applies to all young players in development and look for the postives in all our players! Just stick to the problem child slant with KPJ because there is more traction there.

     
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  12. Verbal Christ

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    Is a 2:1 assist ratio terrible for a first year "lead guard" ?? Without even differentiating from passing and non passing turnovers? Its your right to be doubtful that he can improve I suppose while I wholeheartedly think he will doesnt make either one of us right or wrong - yet. Just like his sketchy efficiency. Kevin Porter Jr is not a finished product - basic point that everyone keeps overlooking while trying to find a wart to inspect. Watch how he plays this year with Sengun and Jabari to offer gravity and space. I'd love to see the turnovers come down from 3 to 2 and they may naturally just with a lower usage. I prefer to be optimistic.
     
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  13. Verbal Christ

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    "KPJ sucks in isolation"
    "he only does it twice per game"
    "yeah well ... well ... he's going to go crazy next year Im certain because my good friend Billy told me so" :D:D:D

     
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  14. YOLO

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    more logical thoughts. yikes
     
  15. King1

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    These twitter idiots are red rowdies and friends of each other that keep getting posted on behalf of KPJ. Just look at them lol and that's all you need to know
     
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  16. ApacheWarrior

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    @Reeko cont'd
    I've said for years Rudy Gobert doesn't contest the 3 and that's why
    he is not good for the playoffs. The good teams exploit it.

    That's exactly what the Mavs did as Brunson was seen
    hitting 3's on the weak side time and time again.

    https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericks-want-utah-jazz-2022-playoffs/3

    Conley had a bad series at age 34.....the whole Jazz team couldn't hit 3's.
    Maybe the Knicks with Brunson can play Utah every game?

    So yeah just post me your Porter number predictions.....we can even do
    Brunson numbers as well for this season. I'll post it in my
    signature. We'll see who's closer.....It will be fun!

    Take your time....numbers subject to change
    until opening night. Let's put it in writing.
     
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  17. YOLO

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    "An extension for KPJ would likely have to be a team-friendly deal. Houston is prioritizing cap space. Considering Porter Jr.’s potential starter criteria qualifying offer would be around $8.5 million, it’s unlikely the Rockets would want to offer significantly more than that".


    but but but CF's "experts" says $30 mil starting

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  18. Downtown Sniper

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    Let me break it down for you because you clearly either:

    a) didn't pick up on what I was quoting, or

    b) obviously ignored it and still tried to spin it your way

    I actually don't know which is worse.

    Stone says KPJ is part of the core = DD chanting from the rooftops he is correct, look at me I is so smart.

    Stone says Wood is part of the core = bye bye Wood don't let the door hit you, not too long after. Such core. Much part of.

    Now I promised I'd break it down for you so even you could either:

    a) understand it, or

    b) not be able to blatantly ignore it.

    WHAT MANAGEMENT SAYS ABOUT PLAYERS ON THEIR ROSTER MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    Breathe DD. Hang another L on your neck like a badge of honour.
     
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  19. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    This front office is learning a lot from the Astros
     
  20. DatRocketFan

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    Sure. If he can keep that type of production and lead us to wins there won't b any complaint. Basically an inferior harden. But when things get tough kpj is gonna get exposed for his inability to get ez shots for his teammates.

    I do hope his court vision improves. I wish kpj has the creativity and court vision of sengun
     

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