How the are the Warriors rebuilding while winning chips?

A couple of those aren't like the others.

 

Trading with teams that are historically stupid as **** is usually a good strategy. So that Minnesota trade was great. Also, having the one year tank job was smart. And lastly, they are willing to spend crazy money. I believe they have the largest payroll of all time, surpassing the payroll record they set last season.

 

1) they were really bad the past few seasons until this year.

2) they have a total salary close to $400 million and basically half of that is from luxury tax (no other team is willing to retain their stars in order to pay that much amount of luxury tax, because this isn't feasible and even the warriors owner said so as much). there's a good chance they won't be able to retain guys like jordan poole when his contract is up if they are still hellbent on keeping the curry, klay, draymond core.

3) kuminga and wiseman aren't even that good. wiggins is still a negative contract for what he does at his price. and nobody gives a crap about mcclung. i would only consider jordan poole as someone really important and maybe moody if he's able to do anything this coming season

this isn't some model that any nba team can match or should match and the warriors also got lucky as hell with that drastic nba salary cap increase that one season to include kd onto their team, which then allowed them to trade for dlo when kd decided to leave, which then allowed them to fleece minny later. paying close to $400 mil (in just team player salary alone) works in a season where you win the championship - but the past two seasons, warriors were bleeding money really bad, especially with the new stadium and covid. i would hope no other nba franchise is dumb enough to try to model what gsw did (unless you're steve ballmer, of course).

 

Draymond green is not a max player, klay is a marginal max player, other than Poole you didn't mention any young talent that has a high ceiling, and they will be losing Poole shortly. Essentially, if you took away the core right now, they would not be in a very good rebuild position.

 

Because they understand the term " go for it" while you still can.. ... Those youngsters they have ain't ****... They're playing with Steph and Draymond, so of course anything of value that they do would be sensationalized.. As soon. As Steph declines, it's a wrap for GSW

 

Smart drafting, smart trades, high payroll, a bit of a luck.

I'd also agree with @javal_lon that a lot of these young players won't look nearly as good when they're not playing with Steph. Longtime users of this board, where people regularly fall in love with middling role players or rookies who never pan out long term, should know how much circumstance affects things.

 

It is also because they are loaded and profitable.
Despite their payroll, they make money - which in turn makes it easier to stomach the largest payroll of all time

 

Yeah. And the real reason owners want a limit on spending isn't for competition...it's because they don't want to have to spend money and flip their team as an investment.

 

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Rocket River

 

Infinite money, complete incompetence by adam silver and roberts to allow the durant garbage, infinite luck helps, complete incompetence by mini to make the insane russell trade

 

You forgot they just drafted Baldwin too

I know his dad put him in a bad position for a terrible season last year, but he was consensus lotto pick this time last year coming out of HS

With that beautiful jumper, if anybody brings out the best in PBJ, it will be the Dubs

This could be their bench by playoffs next year:
Poole
Moody
Kuminga
Baldwin
Wiseman

Crazy young depth for the title favorite

 

I think the main thing to remember is they got KD due to the salary cap increasing.

"Then the salary cap spiked from $70 million in 2015-16 to $94.1 million in 2016-17, which allowed the Warriors to sign Kevin Durant while giving up only Andrew Bogut and their rights to Harrison Barnes. The ramifications of the decision linger today"

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/7/3/17530252/warriors-demarcus-cousins-salary-cap


This allowed them the ability to essentially operate at a higher cap, and get KD for practically nothing.

Then when KD Left they did a S&T iirc and it allowed them more pieces to continue operating over the cap. Basically everything aligned and broke the NBA.

they definitely are due credit pre-KD but after that salary cap increase that allowed them to sign KD it basically has continued to work in their favor and miss major rebuilds. This is where the pretend 2k GMs on here would have easy success in moving pieces.

 

Injuries have been a big part of what made Golden State. Bad luck constantly turned into good luck. They have also made some great draft picks and clearly they have a great system at developing players and getting guys to buy into a team concept. They are basically a more exciting version of the Spurs.

 

Yep this right here plus the Minny trade and tank year.

 

I disagree with both of you. GSW's young core (with or without Poole), while not as exciting or as potential-filled as you'd see from another young core (OKC, Houston, Detroit), is still promising. Especially since the championship core is still around.

It may not seem like they really amounted to much (Wiseman injured, Kuminga and Moody not seeing the floor in the postseason) but I think that's moreso Kerr and the staff not wanting them to take minutes away from Curry/Draymond/Klay than the youngsters being objectively bad.

If it was Green/Sengun/JC instead of Kuminga/Wiseman/Moody, they also wouldn't be as touted as they are now. Why? Because they would have had to defer to Curry, Draymond and Klay as well, imo.

And you gotta keep in mind that Baldwin and Kuminga are 19, Moody is 20, and Wiseman is 21. Took Poole until his 3rd season to look fantastic.

It's usually hard for a young player to look good, immediately. Took Cade and Jalen a while to look good, and they had consistent playing time. Took Edwards a while to look good too. And these were top 3 picks.

As the youngsters get more playing time and rotations get figured out, I think GSW's future is bright.

 

They seem to always play their cards right. Last year they got GP2 and Otto Porter Jr on the cheap. So, they win the title with their significant contributions, and then they let them go to teams that pay significantly more money for them. So, now they pick up Dante Devincenzo and apparently also JaMychal Green on the cheap, so they are basically back where they started. And then they use their late picks to shoot the moon with Baldwin and Rollins - who'll both probably end up being rotation players down the road. It's almost not fair.

On the bright side, Houston is also doing a great job drafting, and our picks are more likely to be sure things. Once Curry is gone, the Rockets youth should end up better than the Warriors youth. We just need a little more patience.

 

Money, Leadership. Curry. Green and Thompson.

 

Building around Steph wasn't a bad choice...meaning he stepped up and won games in playoffs. All the fears about him breaking or wasn't durable has always been there, but FO shut up with bellyaching and nut up their money to cover for those weaknesses.

On a cheap Less team, Murray would be boosting Wiseman as the Second Coming fooling fans into thinking he'd be playoff ready this year, all while picking up players with funny last names from the International section's clearance aisle.

We know what happens next...40+ min reg season averages for stars with duties ramped up every round of the playoffs. Gassed? Contusion? Broken foot? If only Booby Sura played in the first round and Tmac didn't flame out Game 5...we would've won it all!

Dray and Klay are breaking down, but Kerr took enough of the Spurs system, where everyone plays in, to let them age like Manu and Tony while they get to have their moments.

A Spurs mentality (drafting and team philo), plus a proven core with a dump truck of money made them two steps ahead of other teams.

I hate to see it happen, but it's not as simple as them buying a ring. They have a lot more advantages other teams dont work at to put them in that position.