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Jabari off the dribble

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Scarface281, Jun 23, 2022.

  1. Landry's Tooth

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    LMAO...

    Russell Westbrook has great handles... lots of winning there...
     
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    I have no idea what you are even talking about anymore, especially why you are using scoring efficiency when we are talking about specific skills.
     
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  3. Believe It!

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    Random whatever.

    Was responding to a question asking to name any players with questionable ball handling that had been to multiple ASG's.

    This ish that his current ball handling skills will keep him from being great is hilarious. Definitely a comical read.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. Landry's Tooth

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    Banchero flaws that don't matter because he has handles...

    Sporting News

    "He doesn't always play with a ton of intensity on the defensive end"

    "Consistency as a shooter could determine his ceiling"

    CBS

    "It comes down to defense and if he can and wants to improve at it and to what level he can get to. Does his offense overcome his major deficiencies on that end"

    "Fluid athelte but not an explosive one"

    "Defensive intensity waxes and wanes within games. Needs to improve his focus on that end to become a SERVICEABLE defender."

    NBA Draft.net

    "Still has room to improve defensively and may never be better than decent on the defensive end. Lacks later quickness to defend on the perimeter. He can struggle with turnovers. Ouside shot can be streaky"

    NBA Draft Room

    "Paolo doesn't project as an elite defender and could even be a minus on the defensive end"


    Player comparisons from the different reports:

    John Collins
    David West
    Carlos Boozer
    Julius Randle
    Chris Webber
    Ben Simmons


    Mostly good players but probably just Webber is great... Simmons is a weird comparison on defense but offense could make sense...
     
  5. tzou88

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    Maybe if some people complain about his lack of handles some more, we'll magically get Paolo/Chet instead of Jabari. As for me, I'll take the elite defense and shooting. Maybe Jabari never develops a good handle, but for our team he's exactly what we need.
     
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  6. Landry's Tooth

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    I was pointing out Banchero has more serious flaws then "handles" of Jabari when Jabari isn't being asked to use handles.

    Surely you agree that defense is half the game? You seem to not care because of obsession over handles.

    Here's a fun game... name a current player and I'll show you a flaw...

    I don't even need to reference flaws when they were 19...
     
  7. jiggyfly

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    How are his "flaws" more serious?

    He does nothing at a below-average level and his "flaws" are things that players improve on all the time.

    Even the scouting reports you posted said he needs to work to get better not that that
    :rolleyes:
     
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    Are the "Paolo is a defensive liability" guys aware that he helped win his teams 2nd SL game with a blocked shot and then created the layup on the other end? Im cool pumping up Jabari and am doing that, but there was a reason why Banchero went 1 and it has nothing to do with casual fan perspective while parroting narratives. Watch the games and use some basic logic when looking at what his load is for his teams - Paolo has been playing pretty damn well on defense in his 2 games as a pro. If he continues that trend he will be a superstar player that is not dependent on peripheral teammates for looks and shots and does his part on the defensive side.

     
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  9. Landry's Tooth

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    The knock on Paolo's defense isn't that he isn't capable, it's that he is inconsistent at making effort and takes plays off.

    Game on the line he's probably engaged. If he was engaged the whole game; the game wouldn't be on the line...
     
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  10. Landry's Tooth

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    His flaws are more serious because it impacts half the game, not a fraction of half the game.

    Nothing at a below average level?

    So he must be the top pick in the last decade, right?

    Even Luka was below average at things.

    Just give it up.... you whining about Jabari's handles and I hear Shaq can't switch on guards or hit free throws...

    Even superstars have bad parts of their game.

    You complaining about Jabari not taking guys off the dribble when he's not being asked to is just dumb... like complaining about Shaq's 3pt shooting (to take to an extreme).

    Jalen and KPJ are taking guys off the dribble. It's Jabari's job to knock down shots when they kick it out. Why would you want an elite shooter taking guys off the dribble?

    You lack vision... Paolo's 33% 3pt shooting (which may or may not improve) allows his man to cheat off him more and help on drives more. His lack of switching on defense can leave him exposed on switches and prone to being targeted.

    He does have good parts to his game. He handles the ball well, has ability to create for himself, and is a willing passer (though I question his decision making).

    All those positives are things the Rockets have already....
     
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    Well one of his comps, Lamarcus Aldridge, didn't have any ball handling skills to speak of and he made seven all star games.
     
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    I don‘t really know, why we are talking about Paolo - Paolo is great, but he was the 1st pick. Long gone when we got to pick our guy. The questions basically are:

    1. Are his handles really this bad as some posters here are saying, or are they just below average and the bigger problem is, that he is not comfortable in using his dribble more to create his shot until he has improved them to a certain level?
    2. Can he improve his handles/dribble so that he can use them to create an easy shot for himself or others?
    3. If he can‘t improve his handles, will he be „just“ a 3&D player, or can he with his size and high release and maybe a fadeaway or step back still be a go to player that can get a good shot off against good defenders in isolation?

    It is ok to disagree here. In the end we are all just fans, that have seen 3 SL games and maybe his college tape… personally, I am an optimist - and if nothing else, with his character, mentality and work ethic I feel confident to bet on him.
     
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  13. Landry's Tooth

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    Shaq had no ball handling...

    Kevin Love?
    Porzingis?
    Mutumbo
    Ben Wallace
    Van Horn

    There's a few... list would be longer if talking about players at 19... Hakeem probably makes that list...
     
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    shaq definitely had good ball handling and playmaking skills for his size. He was also the most physically dominant player on the court

    Those other guys are role players besides maybe kevin love
     
  15. Landry's Tooth

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    Well, Ben Wallace was the only allstar on a championship team.

    An elite defensive player doesn't have to do as much on offense to justify their role...
     
  16. Easy

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    I'd say if he didn't have any handle at all and could only be spoon fed to shoot wide open spot up (which is not true), he would be a super 3&D player, not "just" a 3&D as some people put it. The combination of elite 3pt shooting and elite defense is not "just" 3&D but elite 3&D. With his size, it's "super" 3&D. That might not be enough to be superstar. But it sure is an extremely valuable piece (at least the third best player) for a championship contender.

    That is his FLOOR, not his CEILING.

    Some people say that for a top 3 pick, you absolutely want a superstar guy. But we are talking about the floor of a very young player. He still can be much better than he is now. It's funny how some people would talk like Paolo and Chet were sure superstars while Jabari is nothing other than 3&D. That's comparing those guys' ceiling with Jabari's floor, hardly a fair comparison. All of them need to fix their weaknesses in order to be a superstar. Nobody knows for sure how they will turn out.
     
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    He surprised himself
     
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    Wait until he is going against NBA teams and he is targeted
    on a regular basis. Quicker players with greater skills.

    Teams with almost all 5 players on the court capable of hitting 3's.

    6 fouls instead of 1000

    *Banchero was scared to death of Jabari in our first game. That's why he
    was bear hugging Jabari when he didn't have the ball. And Jabari is not the
    greatest, put the ball on the floor guys.......just wait
     
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    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    There was another one where he dribble dodged I believe a fallen TyTy for a pull up midrange
     

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