Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

lol by that logic . . . Trump is out of office. That failure has been corrected. Why spend a lot of time going over what has already been fixed?

 

Does that detailed order really look to you like a crackpot idea that was "instantly" shot down by staffers? I mean it almost looks like a "plan" to me.

 

you have stated multiple times in this thread that youre not watching the hearings.

its interesting that you have so many opinions on something you claim you are not paying attention to.

 

January 6 Committee Closing in On Trump
New evidence gets us a wee bit closer to a smoking gun.

https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/j...paign=january-6-committee-closing-in-on-trump

 

The issue wasn't that Trump was in office. The issue was that he sought to stay in power using appointments/replacements of people in positions in a way that threatened our democracy. There were plenty of people willing to go along and help him with that.

Luckily there were some that weren't.

But the problem isn't fixed.

 

I appreciate your following the hearings and trying to make sense of everything that happened during that time period. I just think there's a mix of truth, spin, and hype to the hearings (and media coverage) that does nothing to genuinely enhance our understanding of those events.

 

Trump Still Dominates TV News, Media Moves On From Biden

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...tv_news_media_moves_on_from_biden_147880.html

 

what has been fixed exactly?

the vast majority of republicans still believe the lie that the 2020 election was stolen.
the vast majority of republicans call january 6th a legitimate protest and many believe that it was antifa and not trump supporters.
there is a good chance trump will run in 2024 and win.
election deniers keep winning state and local elections. there are election deniers who are now in a position to effect the outcome of elections.

id argue that our democracy is under greater threat today than it was when trump was president.

and as someone who claims they are not following the hearings, how can you comment on them as much as youre doing in this thread?

how do you know that? you said multiple times in this thread that you are not following the hearings.

 

Dirty little shitbird needs attention and ofc cnn vomits it into the public's mouth.

John Bolton says he ‘helped plan coups d’etat’ in other countries
Former national security adviser to Donald Trump says US Capitol attack was not a coup because it was not carefully planned

“That’s not the way Donald Trump does things. It’s rambling from one half-vast idea to another plan that falls through and another comes up.”

His host, Jake Tapper, said: “One doesn’t have to be brilliant to attempt a coup.”

Bolton said: “I disagree with that, as somebody who has helped plan coups d’etat, not here, but you know, other places. It takes a lot of work and that’s not what [Trump] did. It was just stumbling around from one idea to another.

...

Tapper returned to Bolton’s remark about having helped plan coups.

Bolton said: “I’m not going to get into the specifics.”

Tapper asked: “Successful coups?”

Bolton said: “Well, I wrote about Venezuela in in the book and it turned out not to be successful.

“Not that we had all that much to do with it, but I saw what it took for an opposition to try and overturn an illegally elected president and they failed. The notion that Donald Trump was half as competent as the Venezuelan opposition is laughable.​

 

I thought it was going to be a mix of truth spin and hype as well before I watched.

It's about 87% truth, 5% spin, and 8% hype.

That's far better than most hearings. And it does more than just confirm what most reasonable people already believed to be true.

The media coverage engages in more spin and hype, but that's a separate issue.

 

I've been disappointed in the Washington Post, which just goes on incessantly about it (although I suppose that's inevitable as the ultimate D.C. hometown insider's rag) but also by CNN (online). Too bad about CNN, especially in light of their professed return to "hard news reporting" and away from sensationalized shlock

 

NPR probably has more tame "by the facts" reporting and analysis.

The cable news networks are nothing more than entertainment channels.

 

Hopefully, some of you cult peeps don't go and hunt him down

‘It’s Just Been Hell:’ Life as the Victim of a Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theory

 

So Trump has been witness tampering?

 

Amazing what happens to the people who cooperated and what happened to those that didn't.

 

These online threats need to have people prosecuted, IP addresses are trackable as are phone calls we need to imprison the worst offenders.

DD

 

has always

 

Interesting to see what moderate Democrats like Flynn and Os were thinking...

What Happened to Michael Flynn?
Barton Gellman
Michael Flynn faced the camera with brow creased and lips compressed. He hadn’t been born yesterday, his expression said. He was not going to fall for trick questions.

“General Flynn, do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified?” Representative Liz Cheney asked him in a video teleconference deposition for the January 6 committee.

Flynn’s lawyer pressed the mute button and switched off the camera. Ninety-six seconds passed. Flynn and the lawyer reappeared with a request for clarification. Did Cheney mean morally justified, or legally? Cheney obligingly asked each question in turn.

“Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified morally?” she asked.

Flynn squinted, truculent.

“Take the Fifth,” he said.

“Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified legally?” Cheney asked.

“Fifth,” he replied.

Cheney moved on to the ultimate question.

“General Flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?” she asked.

“The Fifth,” he repeated.

It was a surreal moment: Here was a retired three-star general and former national security adviser refusing to opine on the foundational requirement of a constitutional democracy. Flynn had sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Rule of law had been drilled into him for decades in the Army.

Now, by invoking the right against self-incrimination, he was asserting that his beliefs about lawful succession could expose him to criminal charges. That could not be literally true—beliefs have absolute protection under the First Amendment—but his lawyer might well have worried about where Cheney’s line of questioning would lead.

[more scary stuff at the link]

 

The United States founding principal is adherence to the rule of law. Our President swears to defend and uphold those laws. Trumps broke his vow. If he is not punished the bedrock of our society is a sham.

 

Trump being punished is a 100% completely separate issue from the Congressional hearings. This is why there is tension between the committee and the DOJ. The DOJ is the one who has to prosecute and "punish" Trump. That should happen with or without the prime time hearings