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Abortion fight strains Democratic alliance with Gen Z

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  1. Reeko

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    A debate is raging inside the Democratic Party about whether it’s giving its base — especially those under 30, the generation that most strongly supports abortion rights — enough motivation to keep voting for the party, as federal Democrats struggle to meaningfully push back against the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

    The fear is that an already deflated Democratic base won’t show up in November, particularly the youngest voters, who smashed participation records in the last two elections and backed President Joe Biden by a 25-point margin in 2020. Some Democrats stress that the Biden administration and Congress need to do more to show their rage — and willingness to take significant action — to mirror the passion seen among young people, three-quarters of whom support abortion being generally legal.

    “There’s a fine line between the recent events pushing someone to never vote again or pushing someone to vote with that righteous anger and bring friends with them,” said Maxwell Frost, a 25-year-old Democrat who is running for a Florida congressional seat. “It’s up to our leaders to decide which direction that’s going to go in. When they show they’re in the fight, using all the resources to fight for the most vulnerable in our community … but we need more right now.”

    That sentiment was echoed by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who tweeted that Democrats “cannot make promises, hector people to vote, and then refuse to use our full power,” ticking through a list of potential actions the party could take, including moving to expand the Supreme Court, opening abortion clinics on federal lands and repealing the Hyde Amendment.

    Days later, Vice President Kamala Harris pushed back on that frustration in front of a room full of donors, defending Biden’s urging to vote in November: “I know some people are saying, ‘stop talking to us about the elections. We know.’ Don’t trivialize the significance. We can’t afford to,” because Democrats’ margins in Congress are razor-thin.

    A big step in defusing the disagreement came when Biden confirmed last week that he would support a carveout to the Senate filibuster rules in order to codify in federal law the same access to abortion that was previously protected by Roe v. Wade. That move was a “step in the right direction,” said Carmel Pryor, senior communications director of the Alliance for Youth Action.

    “However, ensuring momentum in the fight for control of Congress requires more action,” Pryor continued. “There’s a lot of talk about Roe strengthening the multigenerational coalition and, sure, there’s potential, but we need to see action taken now. This is an emergency that can’t wait until November.”

    To be clear, the chances of a filibuster exception actually coming to pass are slim. Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) both indicated they don’t plan on backing such a carveout.

    Even so, Democrats said this kind of “political theater” is what voters, especially Gen Z, need to see to “value signal” that they’re “willing to fight for them,” said Terrance Woodbury, a Democratic pollster. He cited Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s effort to bus migrants from the Texas border to Washington, D.C., in the absence of federal action on immigration, calling it an example of a vivid action that effectively riles up the Republican base. Democrats, Woodbury continued, could be considering their own version of such attention-grabbing actions now.

    “Can you imagine seeing hundreds of mobile clinics deployed from Washington to [the] states?” Woodbury added.

    Chuck Rocha, a Democratic strategist who focuses on Latino voters, a demographic group that skews far younger than most racial groups, echoed those concerns, noting that he’s “found in focus groups that just saying, ‘[I’m] fighting for it,’ is not enough any more.”

    “They are tired of us saying, ‘we’re fighting,’ but not delivering ****. What can you do tangibly to make a difference to do something about this?” Rocha continued. “We are good at bringing a policy book to a fist fight, and I worry about young people not showing up to vote because of it.”

    This is a uniquely important challenge for Democrats hoping to mobilize voters under 30, who were a critical part of the party’s coalition that flipped the House in 2018 and retook the Senate and White House in 2020. Not only did three-quarters of them say abortion should be generally legal, 30 percent said it should be legal in all cases — which represents a yawning generational gap compared to other age groups, according to Pew Research. The organization’s polling shows that 54 percent of voters over 65 said abortion should be legal, by contrast.

    Woodbury pointed to last year’s Virginia elections as a warning to Democrats, if they fail to activate young voters. Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin won a state that backed Biden by a 10-point margin, in part, because “a bunch of Biden voters stayed home, and the electorate was 12 percent whiter and 8 percent older,” Woodbury said.

    “In every battleground state in America, if on the day after Election Day in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona, the electorate is 12 percent whiter and 8 percent older, then we’ve lost all of them,” he continued. “I’m afraid [young voters are] growing so cynical that they’re just going to find other ways of expressing their discontent like protest, but not voting.”

    But there are signs that voters under 30 will still show up in November, despite their frustration. They’ve already made a habit of it by showing up at historic levels in back-to-back national elections. In polling, they are still indicating a high level of interest in participating, according to the Harvard Youth poll, the biggest longitudinal study of young people.

    “I think Gen Z participates [in 2022], period, and they can have an even greater impact than anyone ever considered if this righteous anger is properly channeled through a coordinated and localized strategy to make things right,” said John Della Volpe, director of the Harvard Youth poll, who advised Biden during the 2020 general election campaign. “Now, that’s a big if.”

    Activists also argue that abortion is one of only several issues that has fostered disappointment with slow or less expansive executive responses from the Biden administration, including student loan debt and climate change.

    “They need to get caught trying,” said Amanda Litman, co-founder of Run For Something, a Democratic organization that recruits and supports down-ballot candidates. “I think that is going to be really important for Gen Z. If the argument is, give us two more senators and we’ll pass and codify Roe v. Wade — give us a reason to trust you.”

    https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/01/gen-z-at-risk-in-abortion-fight-00043763
     
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  2. Roc Paint

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    Gen Z is lazy at their tasks at hand
     
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    It's very telling Student Loan debt keeps coming up, it's starting to look like blackmail.

    I bet all this righteous anger would be dissipated for a minute if debt got erased until the next thing bubbles up on twitter.

    It seems the biggest difference between Republicans and Democrats is the Republicans can have their anger focused on the other party and ignore promises made and Democrats focus the anger on their own party because they don't get everything they want.

    This is why we can't have nice things and it's why Republicans will continue to be relevant.

    SMDH.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    party simps always got the excuses
     
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    All for one and one for one
     
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    Democrats always kicking the can down the road.
    Roe V Wade was dismissed because they seems to like to use that threat to motivate people to the polls.
    They had several chances to take it off the table but it did not serve their purpose to do so
    NOW - that is gone . . they gonna motivate people to get it back
    BUT - most people not buying it

    Democrats Over Promise and Under Deliver

    Rocket River
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    We need a younger Gen Z candidate, just put AOC up there, every Dem will vote for her.

    DD
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Ya definitely one of the most positive traits of modern conservatives and Republicans is their lack of introspective ability. We need more of that in society.
     
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  9. DonnyMost

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    It's been extremely heartening to see a lot of those 45 and under put the blame for this right on the Democrats where it squarely belongs.
     
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    The one thing I am impressed by with the GOP is how quickly they can turn a new phrase or word into the mainstream like "groomer", or "woke". Or how instantly they can turn a issue no one was thinking about like "CRT" into a boggyman overnight having thousands of 60+ year olds on Facebook b****ing about how this new thing is ruining society.

    The sheer speed at which they can create a narrative and spread it into becoming a household term or issue is very impressive.
     
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    u hit the nail right on the head

    Voters are saying why they’re mad or disillusioned, and instead of hearing what they have to say and trying to do better, the status quo party simps come up with a million excuses or blame voters.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was asked why she is still supporting Representative Henry Cuellar, the conservative Texas Democrat whose house and campaign office were recently raided by the FBI, for reelection, and she said she is. Then, in a mind-boggling moment during Thursday’s press conference, Pelosi took the time to also remind everyone that in addition to the whole FBI thing that’s cast a shadow over Cuellar’s ethical standards, he’s also the lone antiabortion Democrat left in the House—a position one would think would leave a disqualifying black mark on a Democrat’s political résumé given the Supreme Court looks poised to overturn Roe v. Wade in the coming weeks.

    But no, Pelosi, whose party and caucus sought to use abortion rights to motivate
    Americans to go to the polls this past week, said she’s backing him even though he’s anti-choice.
     
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  12. DaDakota

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    The GOP has NO platform all their advertisements are LIBERAL AGENDA this and LIBERAL AGENDA that, they literally only fear liberals, they have no policies...nothing.

    The OLD ****S on both parties need to go, anyone over 77 should be out....we need term limits badly.

    DD
     
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    That is just not true. Name one time that Democrats had the votes. Until 2010, TWENTY FIVE percent of the democratic caucus in Congress was pro-life. They didn't have the votes in either house let alone 60 votes in the Senate.

    This argument is just nonsense. The 2018 and 2020 House of Reps represents the first Democratic caucus that had an actual majority that could vote for such a thing but they haven't had nor will they get 60 votes in the Senate.

    Its tiring to hear this over and over from everyone. Until someone names an instance where Dems had control of both houses and the presidency AND had the votes in both houses then this line needs to stop. Instead of beating up on the Dems, point your anger at the party that actually caused this mess.
     
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    I read your posts like a telegram... with a "stop" after every thought.
     
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    The Democrat leadership is about to radically change.

    Nancy Pelosi is 82 years old.

    Joe Biden is 79 years old.

    Bernie Sanders is 80 years old.

    Hilary Clinton is 75 years old.

    The party voters are already changing, and the leadership will soon reflect it.


    Both parties are going through a transformation, the Republicans are just 6 years ahead because of Trump and his populist strain.

    If Trump manages to win in 2024, then we will most likely see the Democrats quite different by 2028.

    I know a lot of people find Cortez to be a joke, but a WHOLE lot of women under 50 years old don't think she is a joke, and a lot of Americans overall under 35 relate to her and her polices, and she is certainly charismatic as well.

    The best thing to happen long term to the Democrats may be if Trump and not DeSantis gets the nomination in 2024.
     
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    THE GOP is a modern wonder of Spin, Branding and Marketing
    It should be studied for DECADES going forward

    Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene is 48

    Rocket River
     
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    That is true.

    But it's also true that the moderate branch of the Democratic party has no platform either, other than "we're not Trump and we're not AOC." And though it pains me to say it, the latest boogeyman that Conservatives use to accuse Democrats is more easily understood by voters of average-or-less intelligence and average-or-less attention-span than the thousand cuts that the GOP is currently inflicting on our democracy.
     
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    I have MASSIVE anger at that party
    but . . with 51 votes that party would get EVERYTHING they wanted
    Meanwhile
    The Democrats seem to need 60 to do ANYTHING

    Rocket River
     
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    the message isn’t even “vote Democrat because u can be confident they’ll get stuff done”…it’s “vote Democrat because if the Republicans win, they’ll definitely get stuff done”…clearly that simply does not resonate with a lot of people

    it’s vote or else the Republicans will do this and that, when it should be vote because the Dems will do X, Y, and Z

    Pelosi out here endorsing a pro-life Dem candidate then telling people to vote to save abortion…
     
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    all the geriatrics have got to go

    Biden might as well go take his nap in 2024 too…if the Dems get washed in the midterms, they will get nothing done as usual the next 2 years…then all Biden will have to offer to the voters is Republican fear mongering, because his actual record and results are sh*t according to the American people
     

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