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[NPR] How Often Do People Use Guns in Self-Defense?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crossover, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. Salvy

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    So you are telling me the crime in Chicago is because of Texas gun laws?

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  2. HTM

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    Uh, no. Like the other oecd countries where gun violence is almost nonexistent.
     
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  3. Salvy

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    Yeah but we aren't living in those countries....
     
  4. HTM

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    Yes, let us learn from them on this important matter and reorient our country to be more like them, where gun massacres are an uncommon occurence. That sounds pretty nice.
     
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    Indiana's actually.
     
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  7. Salvy

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    Yeah, not buying it.... Different culture, poverty lines, drug addiction, immigration.
     
  8. Salvy

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    Im sure the criminals get their guns from Academy Sports and Outdoors.... Ban all Academys....
     
  9. HTM

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    Yea, ok, lets keep doing what we’re doing and watch 8 year olds get their heads blown up in school massacres every few months, poor kids die to gun violence every day, depressed people blow their heads off and people accidentally hurt themselves or others in households with guns.

    What is the good side of the gun culture? So some dweeb can pretend he’s a hard man or that he’s going to save the day someday with his gun?
     
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  10. Salvy

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    Do you really believe that a mass country wide gun ban would stop a psychopath from harming multitudes of people or children?

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    If they can't buy a gun they will likely buy it illegally. If they can't get their hands on one illegally, they will find a way. You are trying to take away guns from everyone, good and bad.... Except there is a problem, bad people don't play fair. They don't respect laws. Do we really want to start a gun trafficking org? You can't take away guns from criminals, you can't.... You never will.... You can take guns from law abiding citizens, problem is they aren't the ones committing these crimes. Its insane to even consider.... What we should have is better information on responsible gun ownership. How to make sure children can't reach them. How to handle a gun safely. What the purpose of a gun is and having respect for it.
     
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  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet
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    It is estimated that between 500,000 and 3 million crimes are stopped by someone with their personal firearm each year.
     
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  12. HTM

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    lmao. You read that everyone? We’re soooo much safer living in a society full of guns! To be even safer everyone should be armed at all times! Teachers too!

    Some morons really believe this.
     
  13. tinman

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    home owner shot at a robber 15 times
    he dead yo

     
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  14. deb4rockets

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    I agree! Too bad our Texas leaders don't. Their answers to the violence are to make guns easier to get while sending Twitter prayers to the massacred.



    Doubling those school police from 1 or 2 to 2 or 4 isn't going to stop somebody with an AR-15 from killing lots of people. Over 300 armed police couldn't even stop that Uvalde shooter!!! Give me a break. Ted blows smoke while taking those NEA donations to keep the flow of guns running freely.

    It will also raise school taxes to arm up, fortify, and defend with money schools already don't have. Every teacher can tell you they have to buy school supplies for their classrooms already. The money simply isn't there. It's all going to give big corporations huge tax breaks, and other less important things that could be used for education and schools.
     
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  15. Phillyrocket

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    Complete and utter BS. The problem with your terrible argument about we need to let the good guys keep the guns and identify the bad ones and not allow them is anyone with a gun can become a bad guy. Plenty of stories of workplaces or families shot up because some guy lost his job or whatever caused him to snap. But he was good dude up until then.

    You know that insipid bumper sticker tripe “Outlaw Guns and Only Outlaws Will Have Guns!” The reality is if you ban all guns you know who the outlaws are: anyone still in possession. Not a Patriot or a Hero but a worthless criminal. No more trying to separate the good from the bad while children get murdered. You own a gun you are the bad.

    Once the gun infestation is removed what will you need a gun for? But, but, but, the boogeyman criminals won’t play fair?! Set a national bounty. All guns turned in during a moratorium receive payment. Afterwards mandatory 10 year sentence per gun in possession. Anyone who calls in a tip leading to the confiscation of a firearm is paid. It will work and a helluva lot better than our current the only way to fight guns is moar guns idiocy.

    You want to change the culture in this country then we need to change the idea of gun ownership into a pariah. A relic of a violent, uncivilized, and completely illogical past.

    In a couple of generations:

    “Wow you mean during great grandpa’s life people believed if you owned a lot of something it would lead to less of its use?!”

    “Well yes.”

    “But actually there were mass shootings and gun violence constantly right?’

    “Right”

    “Amazing….”
     
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  16. rocketsjudoka

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    The thing that bothers me the most about the argument that "if you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns". Is that many conservatives don't apply that logic to anything else. They will go on and on about the need to legally ban abortions ignoring that abortions happened while it was illegal and it sounds like in states that it is outlawed now people are finding ways around it. Or the that we need to continue to make mar1juana illegal ignoring how easy it is to get mar1juana whether there is a law against it or not.

    I fully agree disarming the population is a bad idea. Given how many firearms out there it will be almost impossible to implement and any serious attempt to could lead to civil war. What gun control should be is exactly that "gun control". It should be about allowing responsible firearm owners to be able to own firearms while making it much harder for those who would act irresponsibly not get them.
     
  17. Commodore

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    holding is using

    it's like nukes, they are used every day as a deterrent
     
  18. deb4rockets

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    No, guns do NOT make you safer. In fact, women are much more at risk with a gun in the home.

    People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.

    An especially troubling finding was that the vast majority of victims in these intimate partner shootings—84% in all—were female.

    https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/
     
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  19. Xerobull

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    I’m all for gun control and responsibility. That said, this article premise is stupid.
     
  20. Amiga

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    except deterrent doesn't work

    people are killed by guns every day

    in fact, your chance of getting shot increases with gun possession


    NIH study below (2009). We have limited studies because the Republican Party ban study on guns, concerned that truth might lead to the public supporting more gun control.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

    Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

    Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.
     

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